sorry i must have missed something i cant remember bashing anyone!!,im asking for someone who knows anything about this plane?.its a chriss fosse design ill think youll find hes been designing planes for 20 yrs or more and what i was trying to say is this bipes got the same semi simetrical wing as the wot4 which is used as a trainer over here by many!!.its not an ultimate knock off!!its just a design based arround his own semi simetrical wing design.all i have to go on so far is opinions of ultimates and a few others none of which have semi simetrical wings as far as i know?.correct me if im wrong and im not ignoring advice on the contrary its all welcome.