Put a big enough SF prop on there, and you may have decent 3D. That's not what I'm looking to do though. I'm much more interested in aerobatics. I've got to learn how to do that stuff first though!
Maybe later I'll try some 3D.
Here's page 1 of my E-starter thread (now at 3 pages):
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3310249/tm.htm AUW with a ton of repair epoxy was 18 1/4 oz before the "upgrade". Upgrade included a Dymond Tornado 400F outrunner, ESC, and 2100 mah 3S lipo. After the upgrade it was I think actually 6-10 grams heavier. Motor was lighter, and I removed some tail weight, but the ESC and battery were a little heavier. Anyways, it was crazy there for 5 minutes! Twice as much power as the 400C brushed motor had. Until the battery ejected from the plane at 200ft. Well, read the thread to see what happened after that! LOL