I'm an R/C pilot who cut his teeth in the 60's on c/l. It's all any of us could afford. We spent hours wrenching on .049's and learning simple stunt flying. A quart of fuel was a major expenditure. My hero was Al Rabe. Anyone who remembers articles featuring his designs knows what I'm talking about. (I know you do, Bill) Big, shiney and holy crap, powered by a .35! The problem as I see it with c/l today is almost complete lack of advertisement. There almost isn't any. C/L is still cheaper than r/c but isn't promoted as being as glamorous or challenging as r/c. In my humble opinion there is nothing in r/c today that equals some of the designs of 35 years ago. Ever see a Gieseke Nobler? There's one on e-Bay right now. If that doesn't get the juices flowing, you died some time ago. Thank God for Brodak. They are courageous, to say the least. I know some who will go through hundreds of $ learning to hover an r/c model but the thought of dead-sticking a c/l-er from the top of a loop scares them to death. What do you make of that? C/L will never die, it's just a phase. I'm just now thinking of a "new" Fox 35, and a vintage Nobler just for fun. 'Cause that's what it is...fun. Wow, what a concept. A $40 engine, $50 kit and and a handfull of accessories. Try that with r/c.