Hey Mayhem guys, I must be doing something wrong. Set up as is my Mayhem will do only minimal knife edge. These are specs on my plane, inverted Saito 100 on coolpower 15% full synthetic oil, APC 16-4W prop, it has the pants and a pilot, no control surface modifications, the cowl has very minimal modification to clear muffler, weight 7lb 4oz. On an electronic fish scale we get almost 14lb thrust with tires on a hard surface. The plane flys at about a 45 degree attitude (from a horizontal line)and falls down at about the same angle, the plane is flying at about a 90 degree nose angle to line of flight difference. The rudder travel is all the way to contact with the edges of elevator "v". any tips/ideas would be great. Oh, I should mention the CG is set at 6.0 inches. Also, how brave are you 3D hot dogs getting with the CG, and when does it stop making a difference. Thanks to those sharing all the good info/contributions on this thread.

"if your not afraid, it's not fast enough"