i am so sick of arfs. no arf will ever be built as good as a kit that one builds him self. i have had two arfs now and will never buy again. i wish the airplane manufacturers would kit many of the arfs out there. i fly my planes pretty hard and i have gone trough two arfs but my kit built ones are still dayin dayout solid flying planes. the manufactures make more money by having the slave shops in china make the things for less than what the material in the US cost and mark it up 400%. sorry i had to vent. just wish there were more kits out there and wish that some of the arfs were kits.