Wow! I am impressed with the many pros and cons of these ARFs. My take on it,I am old school,I side with the guys out their who really look at RC aircraft as an art. I came up through the ranks like the old timers,I am not that old. I built the Guillows and Comet rubber band planes where all the parts were printed on balsa and you had to cut them out by hand. I one hand of the spectrum I can understand going out and buying these third world toilet aircraft if you are just starting in the hobby. Myself and the other older guys in this fraternity didn't have that luxury of ARFs in our day. We didn't even have buddy cords for trainers to help us fly our planes. Makes me sick every time I go to varous flying fields and watchthe same garbage being flown day in day out. What happened to the art of building a kit and being an individual? I even see some of the old timers breaking out ARFs. I can understand that sometimes but these guys are supposed to show the new kids what flying used to be all about. Don't want to hear some lame excuse that you don't have time to build a kit. BS. If you are truly a aviator in this hobby and love aircraft then you need to go buy a kit or one of the many kit cutters and BUILD. Let me tell you one thing,you will never ever have any better satisfaction when you show up at flying field with an aircraft you built yourself with all kinds of people gathered around your work of art let alone flying it in front of them. Get off your lazy asses and support USA kits manufacturers before it's too late. I just picked up a very hard to find Pica 1/5th P-40 Warhawk that sat on the shelf in a hobby store for a long time I bet. My gain your loss to you ARF guys because you may not see these kinds of kits again. I will build it myself and fly it at your flying field. I guarantee you when you see it you will think that is the baddest plane plane you ever saw built or fly,but guess what,it's not an ARF and no it's not for sale. You have to go build it for youself.