Can't get kits anymore? Thats funny last time I checked you can order kits made from the plans of all the top designers. They might not be in your local hobby shop but they are only a phone call away. How many of you drive cars you didn't make, motorcycles you didn't weld together yourself, or houses built buy other people? Yeah thats what I thought. Its that elitest attitude that is killing the hobby more than anything else. The group of groupy guys that thumbs their noses at the new guy at the field that wants to learn to fly his new ARF. Get them excited about building and they just might want to do it.