as to the nexstar crash. I made a slow low flyby, then throttled up and started gaining altitude. when I got to an altitude that I thought was high enough I stalled the plane and let it fall back.. then I proceeded to do two vetical roles..well when I went to pull out of it I ran out of elevator...and altitude....well we all know what happens next[&o]...anyway, in memory of my first plane I ever soloed on, I will not be changing my screen name...hahaha...