Thanks for your imput.Scar has the answer for me that it could work! Just want to kill some time this winter and try something that I have had in the back of my mind for years. I was AFRAID OF getting answers like bigger prop,lighter plane, change your approuch,use flaps,get a computer,etc. 747 pilots dont have flaps and all that because they cant fly! Flaps helps them. What really got me going was that p51 arf they claim is a trainer then remove the landing gear add ons and wing add ons its a regular hot sport flyer. I would like to do that with some simple settup BUT have it change in flight for slower landings or more. Question I have now is where abouts is the most appropriate place on the plane for the least amount of pitch change and yet have a large enough amount of surface area to be effective.On cg, in front or behind. I was thinking of in front, or on. Would also try this system on a king kobra with a jett 90 that is to say the least, slippery in the air. THANK YOU again, its a fun hobby!!! KELLDOG