thanks to both of you..I actually had a starter spinning the engine and no result..even though I am realizing electronic igntions are not cheap let me state I very much want this engine..theres not a lot to go wrong and my flying buddies have several and it is a very powerful engine..I will call incidentally when I can..sunday here in ny and what an absolute goregous day..soooooooooo heading to the field for a long day of flying..gee a hard job but somebody has to do it right?? the leaves can wait!!