Just wanted to drop a quick thanks to everyone that kept this thread going. I followed it for a couple weeks from the start and bought my own. Setup as follows: Saito 1.00, Hitec 645 all surfaces, pull-pull rudder, hitec 81 throttle, JR PCM 770 rx, 1700 NiMh under rudder servo, all stock hardware, and some minor surguries for lightening puposes. It wieghs 6.6 LBS dry (yes Im sure its correct) and the CG is at 6 inches. I flew it about 6 times and hated it, but I think my hate was a misunderstanding after reading every post in this thread over the last couple evenings. I've built and flown 4 other models since the Mayhem while it sat in the basement for well over a year ashamed of itself. [&o] Looking back on those first flights I remember the reasons I didn't like it: it was painfully slow, fragile, it floated too much landing, it didn't like wind, the uplines were crooked, and although it could 3d well the standard aerobatics were lacking in accuracy and crispness. Well since then Ive quenched my thirst for speed (predator 500), ruggedness (USL 120 w/ G26 gasser), accuracy (27% H9 Extra), and 3D (EF mini 3d), so I am back thinking about a short field knock around 3D plane (that is bigger than my mini 3d that flies like a foamie on a steriod/methamphetamine cocktail). After reading all of the posts from satisfied Mayhem owners I think I need to give the Mayhem another try. I got it ready today...reprogrammed the radio for spoilers to help the landings, fixed the thrust for uplines, and checked everything over. I really am exited to fly this plane again! That doesn't happen often in this hobby without spending the green! Now that Im am more realistic about how this plane is meant to fly I think I will enjoy it more, and the fact that I've had it so long eliminates the feeling of spending money on it and thus elimates the fear factor so I am going to thash with it! I have to admit it was odd to pull the cowl off of a plane I have owned for a year and a half to discover a perfectly new clean engine.