Ol' Army and others have it right, especially about LHS owners. Everything online is"expletive deleted" and everything except what they sell is "exp.deleted." And if you are new they automatically think you're not only ignorant, but stupid, too. They want you to buy the $400 trainer, learn on it and move up! I don't blame them for wanting to sell stuff at all - but it seems to me the best way to go about it is to listen to the customer. I'm 62, retired, have a BA and MA, and don't appreciate being talked down to. And I DO know what I want. Which is electric. But they all want me to do it their way, and fly fuel. I explain my reasons for not doing that and they act like they didn't even hear me. Oh, and I must have an instructor. (How did the first rc guy ever learn?) And to that end, "Why no instructor will want to reach over & grab your tx, so ya gotta have this model tx, with the buddy switch on it..." And on and on. I, too, like so many here, bought an Art-Tech Cessna 182, 4-channel. When it got here, I soon realized that despite the ads it isn't a trainer for a novice. So I bought a Wing Dragon, rebuilt it, and am waiting for a calm day. BTW, I had my CP license a few years ago, so I'm not as dumb as I may look That's my 2 cents worth. Ahhhh, feels better now. Bil