Cmon Chuck, 1/2A planes take the nervous out of flying,,,your knees wont knock when your flying a $20 plane now a cox engine can be finicky or they can run like a clock every time you run one....the smallest Norvel is an .061 now but they are jewels ...are you wanting smaller or cheaper? once you have your equipment radio,engine of choice (either .049 or .40) and field equipment you'll find you can make a lot of the 1/2a planes from plans for less than $10 worth of balsa wood ...Rog