Slowfly58, I guess I hadn't thought about flaps being used as spoilers. When I think of deploying flaps I don't think of them being much past 30-40 degrees. This is from my full scale flying days. Designers of full scale airplanes don't allow their pilots to fool around with "ride in" airplanes, the way us modelers can. It can sometimes bite us on the butt, also! If I'd a thunk how spoilers effect my sailplanes, pitching down would be understandable.