Abel

What I posted was as close as I can get to repeating the actual conversations involved. Some of the conversations go back well over a year and I don't recall enough of the verbage to approximate the true words.

Hmmm. LOL.... LOL.... Uh....

Would you settle for calling Carl and asking for the details? I can give you the 800 number.

edit: It truly was no secret. Some of the coversations, with different individuals, took place in front of dozens of AMA members at the AMA convention in Ontario.