Actually some of us were trying Draganflyers way before the DF4. This thread has evolved over time as a common meeting ground for a bunch of us that discuss (gripe, curse, shout, quit, rejoin, lament, whine, rejoice, praise, reject etc, you get the idea) the various DF topics - DF4, 5, TI, no TI, blades, no blades, what kind of blades, mods, cameras, video techniques, video results, RC toys, the intricacies of various mail systems and lack thereof, Spectrolutions, Mike and no-Mike discussions, batteries, transmitters, inside flying, outside flying, etc etc and the best part is there has not been a single DebianDog sighting in a number of months now There are a number of other threads and web sites that have discussions on the Draganflyer and similar "expensive toys" this one just seems to have the longevity and core group to keep on going. I and others will check on your thread as well, welcome to the DF world