It just so happens that im building the RareBear for a freind from the club....The thing with ARF's is that they put in all the stuff to build it..but that is THERE idea of how the plane should go together...if you could look at this bear...It is so bashed that I lost bout 30 pds of ply "none of the guts were used"...ok...little far feched,,,but still...you just have to use your head and do what it takes to make the model fly the way you want it...if we depend on the manufacture to make a "perfect" model...welllllllllllll.,,,we'll be waiting a longgggggggg time...but,,,all in all,,,,ARF's are what I like...quick and easy...I built for years....and i love the "new way to fly..."