ya i would say a shocky such as the superstar or f3a, but since the eflite ultimate is on your list, i currently am flying it now, and isnt too bad of a plane, and if your considering the gp reflection, you could cut your own "mini" reflection with the plans that bill made and according to them (im soon building one) it flies even better then the reflection (plans are floatin around on here, or ask and i can give them to you)