if there is any plane that should go in the trash can is the flat outs other than the reflection, they do fly well with perfect setups and conditions but i would say that many others fly alot better, the best out of the box easy setup you could go with is anything from ikarus they are performance and competition proven planes. the favorite among the pros seems to be the yak 54 which is also my favorite. use an axi and 2 cell or 3 cell for outdoors, even though this plane is about 8-9 oz if on the heavy side it still handels wind like a bigger plane.