I'm reading and researching everything you guys are suggesting. I was leaning real hard towards the Firebird XL but, I'm also checking out all the other suggestions your recommending.

Heck I'm even thinking of trying an E-Plane for myself, I was looking at a few of the flying wings so I'll have something to play with at the "park" also. I want something fully aerobatic and elevon mixing don't bother me I can use one of my Heli radios.

Once again, I'm not a beginner and I have several radios both standard and programmable so don't make your suggestions based solely on a kit being complete with radio. The only downside to my existing radios is that I've noticed with my boys that there pretty big and heavy and may be one of the sources of intimidation they are experienceing with the .40 size trainer I put together for them.

Thanks again everyone, I'm still reading.