now that i understand ....with my ability im still a hockey player, just flailing around and every now and then i impess myself. mostly by not hitting the ground, but occationally with a move that looked pretty cool. i can see what xcead meant by bringing up your ability to a new level as when i first learned to fly my brother asked me to pick a destination or goal and fly there vrs just keeping the darn model off the ground. and thats when i started to improve. now i can hover and harrier around the feild fairly well, but to have the will power to force the plane to follow a staight line or particular "pattern" would take disapline. Now with having that said what advantages does a "pattern craft" have over my 3d profile plane? can they hover?