Thanks for the suggestions. PRACTICE DOES HELP. Can't beat the 3 second repair job between crash and new flight. I've been away from flying for seven years and took my old reliable Kaos with over 200 flights on it out a couple of weeks ago and totaled it after about 30 seconds of flight. Still don't know what I did exactly, but I thought I should get in some simulator time before I tried my Hog Bipe. Like the guy who sold me my first simulator 12 years ago said, " If it saves you one plane it's paid for itself".