Dennis, first of all a ten foot beaver would probably kill you! Propnut, how can you comment that you have more experience then the modelers who complain about VMAR quality? You have absolutely no idea what others experience levels are! As a matter of fact, just that moronic comment alone AND the fact that you think these ill concieved and shabbily put together arfs are GREAT makes me doubt that you have much REAL experience at all. Anyone interested in these ARFS, do yourself a favor and examine one first hand before ordering.