Well, After reading the past 15 or so posts I can honestly say that you are a bunch of reasonable, decent guys. No one flamed or flipped out and that I really appreciate. I think all of us can agree in some areas and agree to disagree in others without hate and discontent. The hard thing for me to accept I guess is the change in the past several generations. I took an RC Micro Heli to the local gym when a number of kids were there, I had hoped to introduce some of them to the hobby and was shocked when only several were interested and that interest lasted about five minutes. This isn't an indictment on the human race and I apologize for a little philosophy here, but I fear for our future if mindless, violent, computer games, demonic horror movies, and gangster rap are at the top of the to do list of a large amount of the younger generation. I remember when I cranked up that old Cox P-40 in the late sixties or early seventies the whole neighborhood of kids would come to watch and sit there until I was done flying it. I remember and eight lane slot car track that you had to make appointments to run on and paid to do it. Gone! SIGRUN you hit the nail on the head. And I guess to an extent none of you are really wrong. To each his own. Great thread, great discussion! Skip