Me? Inside is the easy one. If you do it inside and to the left you will have torque helping you. The rolling circle is easy if you rember to make your turn with the elevator. Think of it as a horizontal loop and "pull" the nose into the circle when the planes top is toward you and "push" the nose around the circle when the planes bottom is toward you. The only confusing part is when the plane is comming back at you. Control reversel big time. Keep praticing, then bring it down on the deck to really wow the crowd. Pete

"Aint no substitute for cubes"