Ahh yes FT - but I understand what 'blimb' suggests. Elevator is not (actually) needed for this upline figure (usually)

If you think about it - up lines are not flying on the wing - so the 'usual' stall entry doesn't mean much. (to make more sense of this....You don' even need wings to go straight up, so how does elevator help stall? Doesn't really)

It is all about the presentation for / of the snap, and the entry and exit lines - moving to a different up line is OK (actually), but a different axis entry vs. exit is not.

For my flight style I think I do use a fair bit more than normal throws (3d of course is the standard WOW amount).

Blimp - thanks for the suggestion - I don't know why that never occurred to me - I understand what you're suggesting, and will be trying that to see how much better it looks.

Cheers,
Bob