got you, see just a little missunderstanding it must be friday that usally happens to me right before the weekend any way to get back to the subject its freezing here also and uaually my rc vehicles hibernate do to experiance i hate to run my rc during very cold conditons things just seem to snap or break a little easier ,but let us know if any of our answears havent solved your problem then we are ready to hit you with atleast 20 more answears well actually 10 couse half of them are going to be the same [8D]