Welcome to the group Terry. I didn't build the Palmer,, but I did build the Q Fiberglas Herk and after 2 years it is still in great flying condition. I haven't flown r/c since the major hurricane damaged our home and closed our flying field. Hopefully within the next 2 months I can get back into the air. I did a complete digital photo sequence in building my bird and many others have seriously improved in the "first?" Herk. If I can help feel free to post or email me. Jim