I think that if you're going to get a 4 * 60, you might as well look at the H-9 PTS Mustang... it can be as gentle or as wild as you want it to be, and it used as a trainer anyways so you shouldn't have any problems with it... then you can upgrade it into a sport scale type flier.... I guess the major turn off would be all the extra equipment that you'd get with it if you just wanted to use stuff you already had