ok. this is really getting out of hand... first of all.. the number of posts you write doesn't determine how good you are.. i for one wrote 96 posts in 3 months.. and know about 99 percent less than most of you here.. but it doesn't take a lot of brain to realise.. that one wrong inexperienced move.. and your plane is 6 feet under.. how can you even argue about the fact that a trainer will be the best solution for a newbie??? did i say that it wasn't???

everybody knows.. by reading these posts. that a trainer is the recommended (sorry.. STRONGLY recommended choice) for a beginner.. my friend stated from the beginning of the post.. that he doesn't want to get a trainer... that's his problem... he asked what plane would be ease to fly.. with similar characterists as a 4*...

so let's not get offended.. all you 60 year experts.. if somebody doesn't want to buy a trainer... as i already told you.. i will fly my 4* only after i can fly a trainer just like you guys fly your 300 extras.....i'm not stupid to solo on it on the first day.. it costs money you know..

anyways.. i wish we can end this on a good note.. because i hope none of your feelings were touched...

-eugn