RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Hey,

sup guys

thanks for the good suggestion SK. I had lithium grease on hand and I tryed it... Works great!
I used grease also to put pushrods in the clevises, it made it much smoother.
I will be flying in next hours (it's too windy, im waiting for evening)
I highly recommend going to fly like... when the sun is going down, then there is no wind!

Paul :)

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

I broke a pushrod on my first reflection and used a piece of music wire in its place. I ended up sanding my pushrod ends like they show in the manual almost to a point.

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Hello, [&:]

I'm all done exept for the servos?! I greased them all over and it everything seemed to move really smooth
I turned the rx and tx on and tryed. aile. rudder. won't center?! omg, u guys know why? I mean, ailerons move so easily but if i try to move them with servo, won't work... I have brand new servos too.


Paul

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

hi,

I'm new to smaller servos and now Im wondering that maybe that's how the small servos work? I mean I took off the pushrod and tryed moving it from tx and I found that it doesn't center in the exact center. what do u guys think? I've tryed eveything. Servo's are new.. I tryed other RX and still didn't work... I tryed even other tx... ??

Paul

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Yes it's some what normal for that plane, it gets better as it breaks in some...

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Hey,

I'm almost rtf. I just have to find the CG and I will be in the air in no time!
I tryed adding full power (motor) and the prop flew off ... ? I secured it with 2 savers and now it will work I guess.
Controls almost center in right place, I t needes al little bit of adjusting.
I will be flying today's evening.

Happy flying :)

Paul

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NICE! Good luck! Let us know how you make out.

HEY! I flew TEN 1320 lipo packs today http://www.kaotichobbies.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/a.gif UNREAL!

(I have 4 packs, charged them three times today)

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Hey,

I just got back from flying!
uhh!! this plane was quite hard to fly, it's true that I have to turn with rudder. I was close to a crash almost the whole time. I flew with half throttle and it was in a hover for the whole time + I made many 3d aerobatics already. It's smooth! Until my motor flew off and I had to make a deadstick landing... any suggestion for securing the motor? BTW I didn't feel any bad tendencies about the servos. worked out great!

I just have to secure my motor properly and i will be flying in no time!

Paul

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

My only advice is to use tons of glue, I just reglued mine from that happening, then when my prop flew off, I checked the joint, and it had cracked, so I added a whole bunch more glue, and it seems to hold just fine now. I would definately reccomend the two prop saver rings, one just doesn't cut it. SuperKaos, the best estimate I can give you is about 12 minutes on my 640 mah pack. I got to fly again today, made some really rock steady torque rolls, a little KE harrier, and some rolling harrier. Flew great until I had to bring it down, heh, actually I lost control of my left aileron towards the end of the flight, but it continued flying fairly well even with one aileron!! I had my brother taking video, but he accedentally hit the self focus button, and didn't know it, so the video was worthless... We'll try again. Actually, to tell you the truth, I find my Turmoil easier to fly than I would have thought, I just started flying recently, and have been really impressed by it. I hope you end up liking your reflection as much as I like my turmoil.

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Hey,

I think my CG was a little off on my first flight. I felt like the tail was heavy and thats why it was hovering for the whole time! HEy sk, I wanted to know (u said that u dont use landing gear) how to u land it then? I mean, my landing gear seriously sux and it bends so badly, when i land. I planning to cut off the landing gear and just make some foam pads on the bottom. Should I cut the landing gear rod?

Loswave, I also found the plane to be smooth but only thing that I wasn't used was that I couldn't turn with ailerons. It was basically impossible!! [:@][:-]
Handlunching the plane is a great idea, and the plane will go to hover automatically and it will *stay in* hover.
I made a lot of fancy stuff (I think) for my first flight, it wads impressive. I made torque rolls and KE harriers + harriers.

over all, I love this plane ( not the building!! :D:D, I still can't feel my finger tips) :D

thanks for suggesting to buy this plane, I love it!!

paul

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Hi,

SK whats your CG? Mine is kinda weird lol. Everytime I try to fly it normally, it goes to a hover :O
I tryed using 65 mm. from LE of wing and it still was in hover. What about ur trims? is elevator a little down to stay on level? mine was. :O

Thanks,

Paul

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Yea the CG is funny with that plane, mine was tail heavy on the test flight too. (doesn't like that) I just kept moving the battery forward until it flew near level upright and inverted. My elevator trim is near zero now.

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

I C. I will try moving CG forward.
My plane was in a hover for the whole time lol. CG was seriously off tho.

Thanks,

Paul

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Yea, not to bad... I just love the air time I get out of the 1320 packs. Lately if I charged them at 5 amps I'm now getting 24 + minutes out of them. I am also considering the Turmoil, I am flying it in G3 in the gymnasium. It is easier to fly and has seemed to help with practicing flight in tight areas. It has helped me perfect my knife edge reverse figure 8's with the Reflections. I can do them super tight now!!!

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

SS2P, just cut the gear off, don't make any pads or anything. It can take belly landings in grass or gym floors, or better yet, just catch it from a hover. The more symmetrical it is, the better it'll fly.

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Ryguy,

thanks for the advice but I think I will try the pads. I'm not a *perfect lander* and I dont wanna scratch the bottom wing. :)
BTW, Which prop works the best with it?


Paul

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

I have a TP 1320 mah for my yak 55 flex plane, I'm tempted to fly it in the flatout though, the ESC in my yak burnt out, but the BL8 is running that rimfire like a champ. I got in another flight today, I really started to push the plane, in reality it was actually only my third full flight without a hude problem. I had my bro take video again, and it actually came out pretty good. I have my CG forward enough that it flies like a regular plane. I don't know about the reflection, but the turmoil turns normal, ie roll with ailerons, then gove some elevator, although if you try it at low speed it'll go into a KE harrier, either that or give it alot of elevator and turn real tight. I really love my Turmoil, maybe I'll post that video online, I think I did pretty good considering my fairly limited flying experience... I can't wait for it to cool down a little already, man it get's so humid here it's rediculous! As far as CG goes, on the turmoil it's about 3" from the leading edge, actually I think it's closer to 2 3/4 " now that I think of it. SuperKaos, you appear to have been flying FOs for a while, I'm a little worried about trying a blender considering some of the wing flex I've seen in other maneuvers. I can't wait to get back out there tomorrow!

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Here's what I did, has saved it through many rough times :D

http://www.kaotichobbies.com/pics/sk...reflect2_6.jpg

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Hey!

SK, are you landing on grass?
I have a LOTS of aileron experience and I can turn with ailerons. The CG has to be forward. I can't make some super tight turns but I can do smooth aileron turns.
Rudder is kinda confusing to me. I used to use rudder only when I was doing 3D stuff but now for turns? It's quite hard to get used to it.
If I try to turn with rudder, the tail will snap too much and than I most make many corrections. If I turn with ailerons, Than I can make smooth turns.
For 3D I'm not as good as I was with my old plane. I can make rolling hovers, harriers, hovers, KE to KE turns, KE figure 8's.... I really like KE flight with this plane. I mean, its super smooth and easy to do. It requires barely a touch of rudder to stay in KE.

BTW which prop should I use? I have used the stock prop, but I also have 9 x 3.8 apc prop. which works the best?

:D


Paul

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Sounds good, I'm gonna have to try one. You really can beat the strength of the flat outs. I have logged a 144 flights on the Reflection so far, Actual landings I'm not sure of. If I had to guess I'd say well over 300. And who knows how many crashes, next one I build I am going to log the crashes too :D

I know what you mean about the humidity [:-]

I've been doing FO's for about 7 months now. But I have been hitting VERY hard thee entire time. Just this past weekend Friday, Sat, Sun, & Monday I logged 20 flights all 20+ minutes long.

Does the Turmoil have one solid carbon rod in the leading edge or is it a 2 piece? If it's a two piece like some of the other FO's you can epoxy a SMALL, THIN piece of ply in as a strengthening joiner. I did this on the Cap and it worked well.

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

Yes I'm landing on grass and weedy fields. I cut the landing gear off before the test flight. But I do have a set of carbon gear that bolts on to a peice of ply that I epoxied on ;) (havn't used it yet)

Actually you probably need to move the GC rearward and the batter pack forward for a better set up.

You need to slow it down when doing your flat (rudder) turns. After you initiate your turn you can power through it. If apply lots of rudder initially it will snap out on you.

The stock prop won't work with the Rimfire. Use an APC SLofly 10x4.7 to start with.

You just have to get through the set up. This plane was a ***** to set up, I was tweaking it well up into the 20th some flight. I didn't get it close until after about 10 + flights on it.

Are you saying you CAN turn with ailerons now? I have had the CG in every possible position...

The plane will turn with ailerons too, you just have to be at the right angle, speed, and have the correct amount of inputs applied
[:'(] But, it's 3D, who needs ailer- turns :D Ailerons are for corrections only :)

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

HI,

I' dno what to do.. I dont wanna break anything beacause of landing gear. I landing on a rocky field and it has also sand on the field.
I'm wondering should I cut the landing gear.... I cant glue it back in place so... its risky.
every time I land I can see how the landing gear bends + the whole wing bends so badly. The plane usually just falls on the nose and flips over! [sm=redface.gif][sm=thumbdown.gif]
SK, why do u say that the stock prop won't work with brushless?
I just tryed my APC prop and it doesn't fit well...

Paul

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I fly APC 9 x 3.8 with my rimfire, works great, and mostly doesn't get going so fast that the wings flutter unless in a powered dive. The turmoil has a single CF support on the LE of the wing, and another single support CF on the TE of the wing. The turmoil turns quite well, actually, when I tried a rudder turn the yesterday it wasn't to pretty, but the ailerons work well enough, it could just be the difference between the two planes. Where I fly theres a somewhat mowed part, which is like 6 inches tall grass and weeds, then a totally un mowed part, which is like 3 feet tall, best part is it's almost literally right behind my house, it takes me probably 45 seconds to get there by car, cause I'm to lazy to toat my plane through the woods... You know, it seems like every time I fly it the battery life is shorter... I think it has something to do with getting used to the plane, it may require at least another 900 mah pack... maybe more. I think between yesterday and today, I've discoverd my favourite como so far: Make a snap roll and a half, then put it directly into a torque roll. When done right it looks sorta like a snap roll, to a wall, to a TR, awsomeness!! It's just a bummer it's now supposed to rain until this weekend. So much for my fun :( until saterday that is ;) After pushing the plane some more I think maybe it will handle a blender, just as long as to use absolutly no power in the dive, and plenty of roll to keep it slow enough. I'm not sure what to tell you about your plane though, I suppose maybe putting bigger wheels on it would help, and finding a good patch of sand and flattening it maybe. It might help if you save your flair until just before you set down, and make sure to exagerate it more that normal, with a foamie like this it seems to stop them just about dead. I found that works well for landing in weeds, get so your just about to graze the weeds and make a somewhat extreme flair, and it tends to stop mine practically on a dime, and it drops into the weeds from a stand still, which tends to be really easy on the plane. The best part is it only took me about 10 landings to figure that out!

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

I just got back from flying. I moved CG a little back and I made my first hand lunch (by my self)
I flew about 20 feet and than I added full power and went for the sky. I dno, was it the CG or the wheel pants (just added) but the airplane didn't handle as well as it did last time. I flew a couple of crazy circles and found that the plane was weird. I couldn't handle it!
I got into a little panic. I slowed it down and came for a landing. There were gusts of wind blowing the plane and I made a rough landing. [&:] Checked at the plane and saw that the rudder had came apart from the fuse! [:-] I think it was because rudder's tailwheel got stuck in grass. The wheels were totally bent. And I had to go home... WOW! The wheels seriously suck! Everytime I land I see how the landing gear bends etc... I will just cut off the wheels and I will see... I think it also was a problem with CG because last time I flew it normally but this time it was not normal...

Paul :(

RE: Reflection 3D building and flying!!
 

I doubt it was the wheel pants, I flew mine with them at first, but one fell off mid flight, so I ripped the other off. It doesn't need them anyways! I just figured out that the combo I like is technically a snap-up to a torque roll... it's exactly as I described, I just want aware that a snap roll, to wall was actually a snap up, not that it matters, I'm just still learning all the possible stunts... I'm guessing it was your CG, if it's to tail heavy, it makes sense that it would react that way. Not to mention the wind probably didn't help! I'm going to add a cf brace to my landing gear, to keep it from bending like that, basically make it into a triangle... It may be worth it to find a field with weeds and grass, it's much better for the plane than rocks and sand... even if it's a little further, it may be worth it.