Which One?!?!?!

I have a broke in Thunder Tiger .46.

I have all the radio gear I need.

I have been flying a SPAD 3D.

I have been looking at the Morris knife and top cat arfs.

I am wanting to get some thing in the next few days to have ready for the TAYLOR MO FLY IN on the 29th 30th and 31st of Aug.

Give me the pros and cons of what you guys have flowen!

You wanna big fat wing or a small thin wing?
eg hype 3d, or capiche 50.

Go with the Morris Hobbies Sledge...As far as I know, there is not a .40 size airplane that will 3D better. I've flown a Knife and a Top Cap and they can't do the high alpha stuff like the Sledge. No worries about weight either...It will be under 5 lbs even if you build it with real heavy stuff! Mines about 4.5 lbs with a Pro .46 and Tower muffler. It hovers around 3/4 throttle and pulls out real well...

Where in Kansas City are you? Where do you fly?

What about the new plane that cheif aircraft has out. Im not sure what its called but check out their site. Its under 4 lbs and is rated for a .46

I am going for an arf I don't have a good cool dry place to build.

Thin wing? Fat wing? I would like a stable wing!

I saw you fly Brian 2 or 3 weeks ago out at jacomo... I had the Pepsi sign that I beat into the ground a few times... How long did it take you to build you sledge?

look at the fun air 40 or magic . they will give you hours of fun for under 100$

Oh...that was you...

Generally the thicker the LE is, the more gentle the stall characteristics are. If you saw my Sledge wing, it's FAT. The LE is close to flat and it will do rock solid harriers and elevators on a calm day. For some reason SPADS don't seem to follow this rule, but that's because their aspect ratio is so huge.

It took me about a month to build the Sledge just working on weekends and not working very much... It could be framed up in a weekend and covered the next weekend. I am going to build up another one very soon...I'll go with the short kit.

The Su Do Khoi and Top Cap are also good choices, but when it comes to the high alpha stuff they sort of get left behind. The Sledge will do it all...

The Magic will hover, but that's about it. No KE and no harriers...The Capiche 50 is going to be a fast airplane and won't do the high alpha stuff as well as the Sledge.

When you do decide on an airplane, I would highly recommend trying some APC props like the 11.5x4...BIG difference compared to those wood ones.

High alpha?

Is that in the setup?

In the pilot?

Or in the aircraft design?

I think thats more pilot then not.. any morris profile can high alpha good... its just what your acquainted with

High alpha flight is when you're past the critical angle of attack, or flying in a stall. That term has been applied to Knife Edge as well, but I'm not sure I understand that.

Harriers, elevators, slow KE's, and rolling harriers are high alpha manuevers.

The Sledge does it better than the Su Do by not rocking it's wings all over the place like the Top Cap and Su Do will. That is, you can still use some mixed in spoilerons to do it with the others, but that adds speed to things like harriers. Being able to do it without any mixes is a special thing. There aren't too many small airplanes that can do it...Luckily, the Sledge is one of them!

So high alpha can only be done with certain airplanes by certain pilots!

The Flip 3D is a great choice for a .46 engine.

The tt46 wont have enough power

Lets bring the subject back up.... I have been flying my 1/4 scale stuff for the last few weeks.......

Brian, how long did it take you to build your plane how much does it weigh? what mixing do you have set up??????

I may throw one together...

do you think it would be a good 3d "trainer"?!

Try a modeltech magic extra. It will do flat spins, blenders, torqe rolls, inverted climbing flat spins, some knife edge, harriers.......

I have one with a TT .46 and it will hover at half throttle with my MCP. I really like mine.

Although i don't think it will compete with a morris profile.

I have The TT 46 pro on My Pizazz. It hovers at about 1/2 throttle. KE are to be desired, but My Pizazz has been repaired a few times (I htink Im a lil heavy). I have a Sledge wi=aiting for covering. when its done, the TT will go in it, and Ill hang up the Pizazz for a while. I believe the 46 pro will hover the sledge at under 1/2 throttle. I am running a stock muffler on it, but have intentions of building a mouse can or ordering the tower pipe. dunno yet. Will see when the plane is in the air. BTW I built mine in about 3 days working 1-2 hours per night. It goes together quick.

cool guys you are getting me pumped up!~

I just got a Goldberg Extreme 330. I am running a TT 46 Pro w/mousse can pipe and a APC 12x4. It hovers just a bit past 1/2 throttle with strong (decent but not rocket like) pull out if needed.

The only changes I made were Dubro Nylon Profile gear, a AAA 720mah Nimh pack, and a mini servo on the throttle.

I put a order in for a Sledge 540...

I am going to build it really light and see how quick I can build it!

Good choice. the TT46 will pull the snot out of that Sledge.

DMUCOP,

When are you going flying next? I've been back in action for a few weeks now and to would be glad show off my Sledge. This weather is great! Maybe just a tad windy, but great!

She is exactly 4 lbs 7 ounces, so just a tiny little bit over 4.5 lbs. That dissapoints me. I'll have a short-kit on Monday (whole kit price is insane) so I'll build another one. I'm going to keep it under 4 lbs no matter what it takes.

Building non-stop you could have it built in about 15 hours I'd say. Then whatever it takes you to cover it and install the radio and engine. It builds as fast as any .40 size kit can be built. Just a lot of sticks...

I am not sure where you guys are getting all these half throttle claims with your Pro .46's...If you're at half throttle hovering a 4.5 lb airplane you guys are saying that at full throttle it has 9 lbs of thrust. Don't think so...

Well, maybe if the throttle to output was 1:1 then It would have around 9 # of thrust. But, at half throttle I'm pushing about 8,000 rpm at full throttle I'm at 14, 200 rpm and I'm running rich. so, based on the throttle curve on MY TT46 pro. I'm getting more thrust per rpm at half throttle than at full. Like I said MY 46.
I know this can be different for others, but There are too many people I know flying the same type/weight plane as me with the same engine/ results. Sme are a tad better some a tad worse, but generally the same. With the way MY 46 is behaving, I cant wait to get it on my SLedge.

ROCK ON!!!

BTW, Botlerocketwar, do you have pics of your sledge?

If you're resistant to building (like me), go and get one of the Morris ARFs. Sure they're a tad heavier, but your 46 should be adequate for 3D. I had a Morris the Knife ARF with an MVVS 40 and it was a GREAT setup, learned how to hover, flat spin, etc. with it. I now have a Topcap ARF with an MVVS 49 and it will hover at 1/2 throttle (then again the engine spins an APC 12x4 at 15,000 rpm).

Sure you may save 1/2 a lb building, but I had my Topcap ready to fly in less than 4 hours worth of work.

There is no ARF Sledge...The ARF Top Cap and Su Do are a step down. I'd say the Knife is two steps down...None of them compare. I am talking flying here. The weight is another issue and I honestly don't think a Pro .46 is adequate for a 5-5.5 lb airplane for ALL the 3D stuff. At 4.5 lbs I sometimes find myself wanting more power...

There is a Sledge ARF coming...But it's not worth the wait...Who can wait that long anyway?

I posted pictures and a couple videos a couple months ago...They are old though. I'll get a new picture soon... For now, it's in my avatar.

Brian,

I work for the next five then I am off for a few days I'll get in touch with you..

You definately have not seen a TT pro on a pipe then. When coupled with a mousse can or mini pipe like the rossi pipe the engine comes alive. I have it on a 4 pound spad 3D and full throttle pull out of a hover is rocket like. It out pulls my webra 50 which is no slouch in the power department. The claims of 9 pounds of thrust seem pretty correct to me.

The Sudukhoi and TopCap can do the high alpha manuevers like the Sledge. Just not as easily. I have done all the high alpha manuevers with my TopCap including rolling harriers. Its all in the setup. The other half is the pilot.