goldberg matrix or lanier razor 3d trying to decide . anyone know anything about these planes yet?

thanks david

I only can read the numbers and look at the pics. With that small amount of input, I just cant get behind the Martix 3D.

First, it was to be the ARF Seduction, but now the Razor is in that spot. For my taste, the Matrix looks cheap, and appears to be a bit larger. It may even cross into the Saito 100 size plane, depending on the true weight. Anything past about 5.75 pounds, really wants more than the Saito 72, and perhaps even more than the YS 63.

The Razor, at least comes in a choice of colors. None of them really speak well to me, and if I get one, all I'll ask for is one of the ones with a white cowl. I'll re-cover it in my own colors. There was an RCU member that went to see Bubba and he saw a completed plane and reported that it was 4.5 pounds with everything except a battery, so 4.75 should be fairly close to reality.

I'd like to see one myself, and decide about buying one. Hobby Town USA helped me do that with a Funtana, and I was much happier seeing the plane first. I got burned once buying a "first run" plane. I'll not do that again, unless a few very reputable people tell me the quality and weight first.

I TOO AM IN THE MARKET FOR A 40 SIZE AEROBATIC ARF. IN MY OPINION YOUR NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES DUE TO THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE. MY QUESTION IS A RAZOR 3D OR A FUNTANA. BOTH ARE AEROBATIC , 40 SIZE , AND CAN BE BUILT AT 5LBS OR LESS. WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE POST SOME FEEDBACK ON THE RAZOR 3D FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS FROM HANDS ON EXPERIENCE.

Do you consider the Funtana versus Razor to be apples to apples?

The Funtana has about 200 squares more wing. It also is a scale type of plane. The ailerons are much larger, in comparison to the rest of the wing. The airfoil is 3D all the way. It has significantly more drag than the Razor/Matrix/Seduction planes.

The Razor/Matrix/Seduction planes are pattern planes with 3D tails. They are all very streamlined and "function over form" designed. They all look a lot like apples to me.

I'm finishing up a review of the plane...

I've had a couple flights on it and can say I like it. It's more "patterny" and seems more precise in it's moves than the Funtana. (I've had one of them too)

The Funtana, to me, is flown like a 33%+ aerobat... the Razor is flown like a smaller plane. It floats in for landings, flatspins well, locks into a hover pretty easily and is very agile.

Construction/finish is failry nice, but it would be hard to beat the H9/GP lines in that category.

The Funtana and Razor are BOTH good planes. And it will depend on what you want. The Funtana needs to be flown thru the maneuvers where the Razor may be more "auto" in it's response to the sticks.

I want more time on it before I can really give it a fair turn, but so far so good...

Mordib-

How about the harriers and waterfalls? The Funtana does reasonable harriers, with a bit of wing rocking. It's waterfall seems big to me. I like almost an outside flip with a small plane.

What do you think?