Hello right now i have a 25% Sig Extra 300 and am looking at the Magic to practice 3D manuevers before i try it on the Extra 300 and end up crashing that. Would this be a good airplane to do this on?? Im just kind of looking for some thing cheap that i can throw in my servos and .40 from my trainer, and not the hugest big deal If i crash it. Thanks for any help and you can recommend some other planes if you like.

The Magic Extra would be a better choice in my opinion for your stated purpose.

Hi,
The magic I brought of Alan (Imac Kiwi) went well, although it was very difficult to do any sort of 3D manouvers (mabye it was just me). It had ample power with an OS 46fx. I am sure the Modeltech Extra would be a better choice.

Stefan

At my field there are quite a few people who fly them. The person who taught me to fly uses the Magic (along with many other planes) but he really seems to like it and he does really good 3D with it. I dont know i have the OS .40LA series which says it has 1 hp. The .46 FX says 1.5. So thats a pretty big difference.

Yeah i saw the Extra one you were talking about. I guess youre recommending that one coz its more "built up" and reinforced for more or less precision??

There is a guy flying a Magic with an OS 40la. This is the same magic which I sold on, which was sold again (after a few re-builds). It has enough power to hover, but I'm not sure about climbing vertically. An 11x4 APC seems to work best for the 40's. The magic is pretty light though.
If there are guys happily flying magics, then sure it would be a good choice because they would be very familiar with the airframe, and could be helpful in setting it up to do 3D well. I just didn't really like my magic that much, and heard good things about the extra.

Stefan

I agree with the above. I have the magic and although it is great for slow flying, a 3D machine it is not. No knife edge, nothing outside eg. outside loops, waterfalls etc. The magic extra SEEMS to be the better choice.

how does the magic hover and elevator. Im trying to bring my hovering low to the ground and looking for a plane that does not cost that much to try it.I have a 46 la or a 46 fx to put in it.

The Magic is my favorite anytime/ anywhere plane. While there are other planes in it's category, I think it's a great bargain.

For what you want to use it for I also think the Magic Extra would be a better choice. It will fly more like your larger Extra than the Magic 3D will.

RCSM,

The Magic hovers fine. Just keep moving the CG back a bit at a time until it feels right to you. Mine has a 46FX and seems to be perfect, although I added a bit of tail weight to balance it. I should have put the battery further back instead.

well for knife edge and stuff like that, ill use the extra i have now, i just wanna practice on this so i get comfortable before trying it on the Extra 300. So i can be okay with the .40 la?? Or should i get the .46 FX. If im getting a new engine, the .46 FX is definately my choice. Im kind of going against myself again but what about the FuntanaS?? Thats more expensive though (the airplane not really, but itll need an expensive engine.)

Something else that has not been stated. the Magic has such a fat wing that I swear I have recovered from screw-ups in about 5' of vertical space. It has limits, but it is a fun plane to fly. Mine has an ST45 in it. takes off in about 3 feet, hover lands and like I said, recovers VERY QUICKLY.

I have experienced the same as Splais.... good thing, too. The Magic would be dust about 10 times by now if it wasn't for it's ability to save itself quickly.

The Funtana is a different plane altogether. My buddy has one with a Saito 72 and we both agree it needs a Saito 100 to be "perfect" for us. If you want to drop the money, go for it. I like flying his.

The 46FX would be a better choice than the LA. You might regret using the LA, you won't with the FX.

Don't waste your money on the OS. Go with either the Tower hobbies or the Thunder tiger .46. I have/had all 3 and you wont be able to tell the difference.

Crash90, what about the OS i have now?

Is the magic's wing fully symmetrical?

Sorry, I missed that. I have a 46fx on mine which is way overpowered. There was a review done by RCU a few monthe ago. The .36bb engine seems to be the perfect setup. If you compare the tt .36 pro with the os 40la the specs are close.\They are basically the same weight. They are rated at similar HP. I would say that it will be OK. Not a ton of power but I bet it will hover.
The magic (at least my magic) doesnt do a whole lot of 3d very well. It doesn't perform anything outside eg waterfalls, tight outside loops, No knife edge. I cant even get mine to do a nice inverted flat spin much less a blender. Maybe moving the CG rearward would help. The only good points that the Magic offer were stated above. They recover quickly and they dont stall. I get mine about 2 feet off the ground and drop it straight down for landing. No roll out which is pretty cool. They fly insanely slow and stable.
Semi symetrical wing.

The 40 la might not be enough for vertical, and no, the Magic's wing is semi semitrical. Just as Crash 90 said above, dont waste your money on an OS, Definitely go with a Thunder Tiger. I have found that my Thunder Tigers run better and with more power than my OS engines. I have never had a flameout unless I ran out of fuel. Although the Magic won't knife or do outside stuff, It will do blenders, harriers(although it wingrocks), tipspins, torkrolls and hovers with ease. Rolling harriers well, and its ease of getting out of trouble is great!




3D-kid330

[8D]JR radios are the ONLY way to fly!

3D-Kid330 Where are you balancing yours?

The low wing plane (magic extra) will fly better than the magic especially in a knife edge. But if you want a fun floater, the magic is better. If you want a more 3-D low wing plane the magic extra is the ticket. I have the magic extra and I was very very impressed. Low wing is the way to go for me. I hate that effect that the higher wing has on the side ways flight..aka my Ultra Stick.

I just picked up a Fun Air 3D. I have to put it together. It might be a step better than the magic and is only $99

http://www.chiefaircraft.com/cgi-bin...els/Model.html
(It's under GAS PLANES and CHIEF AIRCRAFT)

Joe

Actually, I think the magic is perfect for an advanced trainer. It flys really slowly, quite stable on low rates, and can be aerobatic when you want. I had some lead in the tail to balance the 46fx. BTW, the 46fx is worth all the money I paid for it, and even though other brands might be able to supply similiar performance at a reduced cost. There is nothing wrong with buying an OS, but if money is a problem, then sure go for a cheaper brand.
A light engine would be suited for the magic, and if I was to get another one, I would probably power it with an Irvine 39 or similiar.

Yes, the magic would not knife edge no matter how much rudder movement I gave it.

Stefan

I say get an irvine 39. This engine has so much power and very little weight. Add a mini or throttle pipe and it is quite ballistic. If you get the tuning right this engine is the absolute dogs dangalies for flying. Ive got the 36 in anouther plane and hovering is at bellow 1/2 on 10% fuel

yeah i dunno i have already got done with a trainer, but i want something fun to fly. Actually, the trainer i had (avistar 40) was a semi sym airfoil. I know what you guys mean when you say that you can slow it realllly slow before landing, i see it at the field all the time w/ people that own Magics. I hope this isnt just another trainer??

maybe you should try a mini 3d from extreme flight...... it seems to be much more suited for 3d..... I have a Magic and since I bought the goldberg extreme 330 the magic is gathering dust..... I'm actually thinking of selling it..... has OS46fx on it. I don't think that it is a good 3d trainer.... it seems like all the people that I know who 3d on it are excellent pilots and they are working at it.

alex

Forget about both the Magic Extra and the Magic. Neither will do knife edge, elevaters, etc... I have had both and they are no comparison with one of the profile edges such as the OMP 540 or Sledge. Actually i think that any of the Morris Profiles would be a better choice. They even have ARF's avail as well..

I have the Magic Extra and I totally dissagree. Mine flies great and does knife edges all day long, hovers, flat spins, you name it. You must have set yours up wrong (CG perhaps). Too bad you didn't like it, it's a great plane for me.

Joe

When I had my Magic Extra, I supersized the rudder, i.e. glue a piece of 2" trialing edge behind the rudder. Also, CG has to be aft of 33% to 3D and KE loop. Saito 72 was not light enough to achieve good CG. Should use OS/TT/Magnum 46 w/ Macs black 1-piece muffler, which weighs 15 oz total, or Webra 50, which is less than 14 oz including muffler.

yeah it seems to be good as far as the people at my field are concerned. Im still kind of wondering if i would be able to fly it like no problem. I soloed my trainer and am getting comfortable with the Extra 300, and will this be as easy to fly as a trainer?