Thanks for the link, this will open out the freestyle comp. Meby put a link on there, if you haven already, to this thread so non members can check up on what happening.

hi,

I think the fixed shedule should be like that but with more 3d type maneuvers in, like walls and maybe some torque rolling. I think it would be better if the fixed shedule was flown much closer in than f3a shedules, maybe similar to the IMAC distance or even over the runway. The shedule could also be a little more complicated.

It would be nice if the competition could be over 2 or more days to get more rounds in and to make it more worth while for people who have to travel a long way to the event.I will be coming from guernsey and there are probably a few people from Jersey aswell, it is very expensive to go over and find it is raining.

Thomas David.

good idea about the two days, the heli masters now go on for 3, if not 4. i did like the idea of camping there and flying there on saturday to get the feel of a new feild and to practise. meby it could be organised so we can do that this year.

I think they unofficially did that last year

yup they did

I'll be there the day before this year for some fun

ere you go chaps heres the unlimited schedule. Will copy terry's drawings and scan them in in better detail when i have the time.........

T W - thanks for installing the sequence Luke, at least now most pilots will perhaps begin to see what has been constructed & why. All comments are noted & very welcome.

Obviously it would have been a relatively simple task to have made a 3d sequence, but seemed rather a waste when you guys will have at least two shots at total freestyle. I was indeed tempted to include, say a torque roll, within this sequence, but that cannot be fair. With freestyle, pilots can do as they wish, they are not compelled to do stuff that they or their models may find less 'compatible' with their style. But if I were to include 'compulsory' 3D stuff @ this stage it could be dangerous.

I'd like to think any Unlimited pilot + model could tackle the sequence proposed & it differs sufficiently from most other forms of aerobatics to, hopefully, make it inspirational. Naturally it is impossible to satisfy every pilots differing preferences, but amendments to this sequence can still be implemented if demand is high. Due to the considerable amount of options, this sequence can be flown very close in, certainly far closer than F3A or even IMAC, stands to reason the spectators wanna see everything!

The multiple day event raises similar problems, some pilots can only do the one day. We are however, very fortunate to have the opportunity to use the site on the Saturday prior to the RCM&E event, allowing pilots to 'familiarities' if they wish. In time, particularly if this event ever becomes International, (I'll never be able to handle that), it would prove more worthy of debate.

Keep in mind the new website is for you guys, get your pic's on there, with captions.

As for the British weather.....I am amazed how lucky we've been so far, maybe it's down to the ozone?

I think terry's got the right idea about leaving 3d fun for the last two rounds. Still gives you plenty of opportunity to pack in those harriers e.t.c

I dont think it has to be that much tamer. Main thing would be slightly less following on so closely from each other. Looking at the diagram that Luke posted, it is about half the length of normal F3A or IMAC schedules, because more is packed into each "manouver".

eg I would hope that everyone in advance is comfortable with rolling circles? but rolling to knife edge then doing the circle then rolling back to normal for the turn around is a bit too much for this level? Fixing the number of rolls would also be too much.

I think I am saying that it should have the same number of manouvers, just spread out a bit more, and tamed down a little bit.

I do not agree that the more extream 3D manouvers should be included. Many of the planes at last years event would not be able to do things like harriers and torque rolls. Nor is it necessary to do them to please the crowd.

most of the people who enter in the advanced class are people who are competeing for the first time so setting out to many moves in row would not be fair.

Personly im up for a go at the comp no mater what the rules. ( i like a challange)

what sort of music do you fly to

Sounding good guys, i'll be competing in the unlimited class prob with a 2m Funtana pro. I'm 19.

keep up the good work

Andy

yeh sounds good i might enter not sure yet depends what im doing

Phew, i didn't realise this thread was still alive!

I have to say i'm very happy with the new proposals. Having round one as a fixed shedule will probably mean my plane will last at least 1 1/2 rounds!

I think the advanced program should only be slightly less tricky than the unlimited one because at the end of day its a national comp so the pilots entering are assumed to be good! The advanced class will clearly attract those attending for the first time... but may also include pilots who have aircraft that are simply less capable than a Capiche 140 for example, so its clear that the routine needs to be a little more simple. I just hope its still a challenge.

That said i've every faith in TW as his revisions so far for the 2004 freestyle are in my opinion spot on!

Ps. Welsh3D: i've e-mailed you 'bout something off topic.

T W - As I promised, I'm staying with this as much as I can. The RCM&E article, which basically confirms the format for this year, will be sent by the end of this week.

The fact that F3A programmes are more intent about 'lines' than flown figures means they will always require around 10 minutes of flight time. The Freestyle 'fixed' programme is a 4 minute. Naturally it's a dynamic programme, (always something goin on). I believe that the 'Advanced' pilot would appreciate a little more 'breathing space', consequently is required to be a little less dynamic. Also their models will invariably be somewhat less potent, so a vertical snap for instance might be impossible.

Rolling circles for Advanced? I was thinking a knife edge circle, 1/4 roll in & out. Is that too tame?

to tame IMO. The rolling circle is an easy maneuver to do but is hard to do well. thats sorts the good from the not so good

I understand that this year the current Freestyle champion will be using a model from the YT range which is an ARTF and not a Capiche 140 having compared the price to the Capiche 140 it seems to be a much better value plane and the quality of the YT models are excellant .I also understand it flys better to. does any body have any comparisons as I am very interested in acquiring one of these YT kits. If both models are very similar then their is a big difference and price, [and no money is not an issue]

thanks for any help

Is this the YT adrenaline? In that case its quite a bit smaller than the c140.
Don't know if this could be a marketing ploy?
However if its better i'd rather not know please. The amount ive earnt abd then spent on this plane surpassess all that has gone before and i havent even got the radio gear or covering yet!
As far as quality goes, the bits of my kit i got in the post today were superb quality, especially the carbon wing joiner.....

Must admit, having writen it, I did think may be a bit too much - just because I can do them, doesn't mean everyone can. Plus the direction is dependent upon the wind, most people are better in one direction than the other (but then a good flyer should be able to do all manouvers in either direction).

Knife edge circle, actually up until recently I think I would have preferred the rolling circles!!

Hmm presume both would be a bit too much[&:]. Toss a coin if you cant decide! Only thing I would add is that more variation is available with a rolling circle. (ie number of rolls, type of rolls etc). Knife edge circle is more about precision, only variation would be do you start belly or canopy towards you. Depends on the other manouvers around it I suppose.

YT have made a big thing about their plane being designed by the Freestyle Champ (who wouldn't that is what they paid for), but Ali will use which ever plane he thinks he can win with. Whether that is the C140 or not, who can tell. He had the prototype Adrenaline at the comp last year, but did not compete with it.

to give everybody in the advanced class a chance to go well stick in the knife edge circuit. everbody can do these so it means doing it perfect.
The Capiche 140 is an AWSOME model and i think it should out preform the YT model if the two pilots are of simalr standard.
If only i had the 300 pound needed to get one i would. I guess that if i try really hard i could get one for next year. Luke 3D what engine are you planing on using. i would usea Moki 180. what about servos.

Mike, who told you Ali, was going to use a YT plane for the event? I know Ali very well and although he had a big part in designing some of the YT planes (he also test flew the adrenalin at this years event, and I was privileged enough to have a go on the sticks on the said test flight) but the Adrenalin is slightly too small for serious competition. Don’t get me wrong I love the adrenalin and think it is the best in its class by far, (I will also probably have one myself soon) but for the competition I would not swap my capishe 140 for anything at the moment, (and unless something radical happens I would assume Ali would too.) this is totally by choice as I could fly any plane on the market at this competition but chose the Capishe 140 (I took 3 with me this year, an electric 140, a ys 140 powered Capishe 140 and a Capishe 50) I might also add for the sceptics that I am in no way sponsored or anything similar by Island Hobbies.


That is of course based on the fact that this does not turn into an F3A competition [>:]


Dave Stephens

I agree going on what has been said about the Capiche 140 only a mad man would swap it for anything

Peter m

Allready have a Moki 180 which i bought for a funtana Pro....was very close to getting a funtana from probuild- then i saw the capiche 140 flying and decided to go for that instead.
However, i am not going to use the Moki in this, i have bought a YS140L specially for the 140ex,
as for servos, unless any recommendations of other arise, will be
Futaba s9451 for each aileron
JR 8511 for elevator and rudder

Will make an internal tube for the big tuned pipe.

What is the tourque of those servos. why get the YS 140 if you have the moki

Cos the YS is lighter, and better, lovely quiet with a pipe. Also had a lot of recommendations from guys who know their stuff..........

To make matters worse my Moki with its compact Just engines silencer also sounds exactly like the LSW machine gun ive used in the past.
JR 8511 servos pull 15kg
futaba s9451 pull 9kg i think