I have looked at both models for a while and i have not found a flight report for either. So a flight report on both would be very helpful.
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CA

Why? ca i know they are awesome but why else. How much does the kit cost?
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Could I fit a smoke system on it.

I had a d.a. 50 with canister in mine so I'd say you would have no problem with smoke. The reason I say ca is because my friend had a midwest (good planes) but he thought the ca was better. A little lighter and by far a better building kit.... Incredibly easy to build!!!! jmo

ok. Lighter is better so I can already see why so many people buy ca.
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I love my CA Extra, with a BME 50, it came out at 14.5 pounds. Flies straight, great plane. Be prepared the ARC comes with no hardware (not even one screw).

oh i was planning to buy the kit. but thanks for the info. i plan to run a carbon fiber spinner, prop, langing gear , tail gear cowl and wheelpants if I can find them that will save me some weight. i am also thinking of running robart hinges. what type of smoke system should i use that will be light weight are the simeline systems good.
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Well i cant comment much but i'am in the middle of building my 27% CA extra and all i can say is easy to build. I have wiegh every thing and i should come in around 14lbs or less! The wing area of the CA is 1400 square inches. And at 14lbs and that kinda wing loading can you say AWSOME .

I know this isnt what you are looking for but i can give you a flight report in about 3 weeks [8D].



Chad

Just finishing this 27% ca, DA 50, sullivan smoke, slimline muffler. The plane should come in around 15 pounds. Also has a TNT landing gear that I had extended for clearence.

I also might add that the stock landing gear is only 7oz. so a carbon wont save much wieght is any.



Chad

...the result being very minimal prop clearance on the CA.

Why should i deal with 7oz when i can get more clearence with 6oz the little things always count if I can save an ounce i will I can garuntee it will pay off in flight performance to. I noticed most people run DA and bme and brison what other motors can I use on this plane for a gas engine?
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I'm flying my MW one (in my Avitar) with the Moki 1.8. It's a fun airplane and has unlimited vert., but not much more than that. Would need more power to be a great 3Der. Also, it's a pretty long build. The kit was engineered great, but still a lot of work. With all the ARF's of the same size now, I personally would not build another Extra of this size from a kit.

Jeff

I would rather build from a kit because i can change to to how i like it. Make it lighter and stronger. And i can put my own covering sceme on it.

I agree 100% i didnt notice the prop clearance issue yet! And yes an ounce is an ounce i go to great length's to save an ounce , i just thought that the stock landing gear was really good cause it only wieghted 7oz. but hey if you cant clear the prop it is worhtless!!!


I'am going to use a ZDZ 50 in mine. ZDZ'z have been great engines with the ones i have and i have 2 and soon to be 3 .


There is no arf out there that can contend with a kit , every ARF i have had is always heavier than they so they are suppost to be and I have yet to find one that is not hot glued together, You get a little gasoline on hot glue and it just disolve's trust me i know.

When you build a plane you get great glue joints and you can lighten the plane as you build and you end up with a plane that will make 100's of flights without falling apart !!!!!!!!! There isnt many ARF"S out there that have 1000's of flight's on them but there is alot of kit's that do. JMO.


Chad

I agree that is all i am saying you can change the plane for the better.

[sm=lol.gif]all I can say is to read the first page and the third page of the manual and through it away ,,,,, easy to build , but man the english ,,, I did not try the upside down "V" on the control surfaces ,, mine is built like the Carden
I know I only show one post but I have been a member since 1999...Thanks RCU

I have a Midwest Extra that I built over the winter with a Brison 3.2 on it and it is a fantastic flyer. The kit is a fairly easy build but it does take some time to do it right. There are a lot of mod's out there to get the weight down. The fuse is over engineered for strength and there is a lot of weight to be saved by enlarging lightening holes, replacing hardwood with balsa/carbon and other things. Mine came out at 14 lbs 10oz and I didn't get carried away with all of the lightening ideas I read about. I enlarged lightening holes, cut a lightening hole in the landing gear mounting plate, and replaced the fuse stringers with balsa. If you really want to get wild with it, I have heard of people getting it down into the 13 pound range. I can easily shave another 6-8 ounces by changing the landing gear with CF, getting a CF spinner, and going with LiPo batteries if I want. The stock aluminum landing gear is quite heavy but since this is my first 'giant' I am going to keep it until I get more comfortable with my landings. I would hate to break an expensive CF gear with a rough landing. I have already bent the aluminum gear once![X(] One big drawback (one which I accidentaly missed when I researched the plane) is it has a one piece main wing. Just about every other plane of this size has plug in wings. If transportation is a problem for you, a surfboard sized wing might be a huge issue. It almost was for me![:@] Another mod I did that I didn't read anyone else doing (but I am sure others have done) is to move the fuel tank back so centered over the CG. This eliminated the need for any extra weight in the tail to balance, and also it keeps the CG right on no matter what the fuel level is. This is the first plane I have ever built (and I have built a lot of them) that balanced perfectly with no weight added or complete re-arrangement batteries/radio equipment. All in all, I really like this plane. I don't have a ton of flights on it yet so I am still learning its quirks, but it is a beautiful flying plane that makes me smile every time I take it up and that is what counts![8D]