what 35 % is the best for 3D
07-27-2004 | 02:13 PM
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what 35 % is the best for 3D
what aeroplane is the best for 3D
CARDEN
AEROWORK
CAMODELS
VON EXTRA 260
COMPOSITE 2.6M
AEROTECK
HANGAR 9
WHAT IS YOU EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PLANES
THANKS
CARDEN
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CAMODELS
VON EXTRA 260
COMPOSITE 2.6M
AEROTECK
HANGAR 9
WHAT IS YOU EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PLANES
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07-27-2004 | 02:32 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
The one that is the lightest, has the most thrust, is trimmed out the best, you can see well and you have the most gallons of fuel through.
Comp ARF 2.6
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07-27-2004 | 06:14 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
I think its the guy at the sticks and not the plane. Any of them are good. After seeing the TBM 260 fly this weekend its a sweet plane, and probably my next project.
07-27-2004 | 07:39 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
For 3D I like the Edges. They have few if any bad habits in very slow flight. For tumbles and spins it is hard to beat a CAP. The Extras fall in the middle.
If you want 3D look at the Edge! I like the flight of the AeroTech and the Carden Edge. They are very sturdy and can take a lick and keep on ticking, most of the time. If you go with these you won't go wrong. If you are a "builder" the Carden is a great kit. If you "can" build the AeroTech goes together much easier being all laser cut. Both of these birds fly great at 28-30 pounds with a 100cc twin on the nose. Some people are totally hung up on being the lightest, it may help the wing loading but it has its trade offs as everything does.
If you want 3D look at the Edge! I like the flight of the AeroTech and the Carden Edge. They are very sturdy and can take a lick and keep on ticking, most of the time. If you go with these you won't go wrong. If you are a "builder" the Carden is a great kit. If you "can" build the AeroTech goes together much easier being all laser cut. Both of these birds fly great at 28-30 pounds with a 100cc twin on the nose. Some people are totally hung up on being the lightest, it may help the wing loading but it has its trade offs as everything does.
07-27-2004 | 09:32 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
ORIGINAL: 3DRC
For 3D I like the Edges. They have few if any bad habits in very slow flight. For tumbles and spins it is hard to beat a CAP. The Extras fall in the middle.
If you want 3D look at the Edge! I like the flight of the AeroTech and the Carden Edge. They are very sturdy and can take a lick and keep on ticking, most of the time. If you go with these you won't go wrong. If you are a "builder" the Carden is a great kit. If you "can" build the AeroTech goes together much easier being all laser cut. Both of these birds fly great at 28-30 pounds with a 100cc twin on the nose. Some people are totally hung up on being the lightest, it may help the wing loading but it has its trade offs as everything does.
For 3D I like the Edges. They have few if any bad habits in very slow flight. For tumbles and spins it is hard to beat a CAP. The Extras fall in the middle.
If you want 3D look at the Edge! I like the flight of the AeroTech and the Carden Edge. They are very sturdy and can take a lick and keep on ticking, most of the time. If you go with these you won't go wrong. If you are a "builder" the Carden is a great kit. If you "can" build the AeroTech goes together much easier being all laser cut. Both of these birds fly great at 28-30 pounds with a 100cc twin on the nose. Some people are totally hung up on being the lightest, it may help the wing loading but it has its trade offs as everything does.
07-27-2004 | 10:28 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
I think 28 -30 lb is heavy for 100 cc hmmm
what you think guys about it
some plane weigh 25- 26 pound that is very good for vertical
I think and good for 3D and hover ?[sm=rolleyes.gif]
what you think guys about it
some plane weigh 25- 26 pound that is very good for vertical
I think and good for 3D and hover ?[sm=rolleyes.gif]
07-28-2004 | 06:32 AM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
Hello,
ROMANBM we all know you are building and selling the former TBM product. With all the winning combinations out there a 25-26lb plane will no out perform a 27-28lb plane. If so Mark Leesberg would never be able to win. I know his 37% Godfrey is 38lbs. My Aerotech Velox is 27lbs and I think a guy from florida at the Nats Finished top 3 in his class with the same plane. Also in any good wind a much lighter plane will get blown around more. So there are many choices. Mine is Aerotech formally Carden. Good luck in your venture.
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ROMANBM we all know you are building and selling the former TBM product. With all the winning combinations out there a 25-26lb plane will no out perform a 27-28lb plane. If so Mark Leesberg would never be able to win. I know his 37% Godfrey is 38lbs. My Aerotech Velox is 27lbs and I think a guy from florida at the Nats Finished top 3 in his class with the same plane. Also in any good wind a much lighter plane will get blown around more. So there are many choices. Mine is Aerotech formally Carden. Good luck in your venture.
Ted
07-28-2004 | 11:24 AM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
Well, as I said there are trade offs. I have a 35% AeroTech that lost the crystal and it flew itself around for several minutes before it went into the trees at half throttle. It hit nose on into a tree and had minor damage. It ripped the motor box and cowl off and it had a case of rash but the plane still flies, maybe even better now. I have seen countless Cardens go in and see another day in the air. I have also seen very light birds turn into dust. I had a RadioCraft that liked to kick the gear plate, an AeroWorks that turned to dust. I like the idea of a sturdy built bird that can survive over a superlight that caves in. I also drive a Land Rover rather than a KIA.
As Far as flight, my 29 pound 35% Edge is built stock, no mods and not too much concern for weight in the build. It is a much, much better flyer than my 27 pound RadioCraft was. The 106 hovers the bird under 1/2 throttle and it pulls out with authority.
It is all choices. One is not right and the other is not wrong. It just matters what is right for you.
As Far as flight, my 29 pound 35% Edge is built stock, no mods and not too much concern for weight in the build. It is a much, much better flyer than my 27 pound RadioCraft was. The 106 hovers the bird under 1/2 throttle and it pulls out with authority.
It is all choices. One is not right and the other is not wrong. It just matters what is right for you.
07-28-2004 | 11:42 AM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
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Well, as I said there are trade offs. I have a 35% AeroTech that lost the crystal and it flew itself around for several minutes before it went into the trees at half throttle. It hit nose on into a tree and had minor damage. It ripped the motor box and cowl off and it had a case of rash but the plane still flies, maybe even better now. I have seen countless Cardens go in and see another day in the air. I have also seen very light birds turn into dust. I had a RadioCraft that liked to kick the gear plate, an AeroWorks that turned to dust. I like the idea of a sturdy built bird that can survive over a superlight that caves in. I also drive a Land Rover rather than a KIA.
As Far as flight, my 29 pound 35% Edge is built stock, no mods and not too much concern for weight in the build. It is a much, much better flyer than my 27 pound RadioCraft was. The 106 hovers the bird under 1/2 throttle and it pulls out with authority.
It is all choices. One is not right and the other is not wrong. It just matters what is right for you.
Well, as I said there are trade offs. I have a 35% AeroTech that lost the crystal and it flew itself around for several minutes before it went into the trees at half throttle. It hit nose on into a tree and had minor damage. It ripped the motor box and cowl off and it had a case of rash but the plane still flies, maybe even better now. I have seen countless Cardens go in and see another day in the air. I have also seen very light birds turn into dust. I had a RadioCraft that liked to kick the gear plate, an AeroWorks that turned to dust. I like the idea of a sturdy built bird that can survive over a superlight that caves in. I also drive a Land Rover rather than a KIA.
As Far as flight, my 29 pound 35% Edge is built stock, no mods and not too much concern for weight in the build. It is a much, much better flyer than my 27 pound RadioCraft was. The 106 hovers the bird under 1/2 throttle and it pulls out with authority.
It is all choices. One is not right and the other is not wrong. It just matters what is right for you.
Seriously though whatever floats the boat. I definatley prefer a light plane for 3-d work- there are alot of maneuvers that a light 3d plane can do that a relatively heavy 3d plane just can't do.
07-28-2004 | 11:51 AM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
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HMMM well tell that to Mark Leesberg who continues to beat people with heavy planes. What doesnt he do with his planes that you can do with a lighter plane. I have seen video of him and in person and he has done stuff that amazes most people. Im only using him as an example since I know his planes are on the heavy side not because of who he is. I would like to really know why people are on a weight kick so much when the products are performing at the levels they are.
Thanks
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HMMM well tell that to Mark Leesberg who continues to beat people with heavy planes. What doesnt he do with his planes that you can do with a lighter plane. I have seen video of him and in person and he has done stuff that amazes most people. Im only using him as an example since I know his planes are on the heavy side not because of who he is. I would like to really know why people are on a weight kick so much when the products are performing at the levels they are.
Thanks
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07-28-2004 | 12:40 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
I'm not arguing that weight is irrelevent. Lower wing loading is better but not near as important as the lightness of the touch on the sticks. I love flying the foamy electrics but they are the devil in a breeze. There is always a trade. As in motors, the weight is added cooling value and longevity. I have had good luck in the past with Keith Bakers motors but the 110 is so light it makes me ponder??? I also generally need nose weight to offset push/pull rudder setups that I prefer.
What ever the weight I always enjoy flying the bird.
What ever the weight I always enjoy flying the bird.
07-28-2004 | 05:03 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
well guys , I ask for EXPERIENCE with this planes . My plane is not perfect I like to know your experience with it . So I can listen
and learn about it , looks like some guys like lightets planes and others like it no to light .
But for 3D maneuvers you need power if the plane is light you have more power that is my opinion
I LIKE ALL THIS PLANES . I think all of them are good planes !!
thanks
and learn about it , looks like some guys like lightets planes and others like it no to light .
But for 3D maneuvers you need power if the plane is light you have more power that is my opinion
I LIKE ALL THIS PLANES . I think all of them are good planes !!
thanks
07-29-2004 | 12:57 AM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
The only two 35%ers I have any experience with are the H9 33% Cap and the Wild Hare Extra 35%.
I have some stick time on my GF's Cap and that is a good plane. Actually quite stable and very predictable in high-alpha, something that suprized me greatly for a cap.
I have no stick time on the extra but I've seen one fly a lot and am quite impressed with its overall flight performance.
The only complaint I have with the WH stuff is the finish quality (canopy not smooth and clear, covering blemishes/quality) leaves something to be desired... the proces seem to make up for it though.
I have some stick time on my GF's Cap and that is a good plane. Actually quite stable and very predictable in high-alpha, something that suprized me greatly for a cap.
I have no stick time on the extra but I've seen one fly a lot and am quite impressed with its overall flight performance.
The only complaint I have with the WH stuff is the finish quality (canopy not smooth and clear, covering blemishes/quality) leaves something to be desired... the proces seem to make up for it though.
07-29-2004 | 08:21 AM
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I flew a 35% vonextra 260, da100 for one year then sold it - now fly 35% comparf extra. the vonextra was 5lb lighter but was unpredictable for slow 3d flying, I tried everything different setups, etc. but in certain situations/angles of attack it would snap or squirt off line unexpectedly - my comparf is heavy but predictable. hovering, torque rolls, rolling harriers are very easy. in most cases you can make a wrong input and save it no problem. both planes fly a great pattern.
07-29-2004 | 10:17 AM
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When in stalled flight or a high angle of attack (AOA) say like a harrier the plane will out of the blue snap on you and potentially depending how high crash or wing rock, where the plane's wings rock back and forth making it harder and harder to control. A llllllllllot of that stuff has to do with how well the plane is built and set-up thought. Incidences, control linkages, lateral balance is huge, etc.
Mark Leseberg is a good pilot, the plane does not make the difference in his case. I'm with Jon, a lighter wingloading is ALWAYS better. Your landrover may help you in a crash, but they break down, and cost a lot to run where a KIA will just hit those corners a lot faster, smoother, and better gas milage
Mark Leseberg is a good pilot, the plane does not make the difference in his case. I'm with Jon, a lighter wingloading is ALWAYS better. Your landrover may help you in a crash, but they break down, and cost a lot to run where a KIA will just hit those corners a lot faster, smoother, and better gas milage
07-29-2004 | 11:37 AM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
I wasn't aware that Mark L's planes were "heavy". In fact I'm pretty sure they're relatively light but I've been wrong many times before. That dude does some sick stuff!
07-29-2004 | 01:15 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
Mark is flying the Godfrey Extra isn't he? That was a pretty heavy bird but I know they have made some mods to it to get it more 3D capable.
07-31-2004 | 02:56 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
Hello,
He posted in RCU over a year ago the his 37% Godfrey with a DA150 in it was 38lbs and When asked at the JR Challenge he said his 40% Godfrey was 41lbs. In little to no wind the TBM will be predictable in more wind which is usually the norm it may be less predictable. Again many pilots have proven that with Planes like Carden, Aerotech, Godfrey, Pirate, Composite ARF, 3W etc that 35% planes in the weight of 26-29lbs fly excellent as do 39-41lbs for 40%-42%. The proof is in the plane and in capable hands and setup correctly they are awesome machines.
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He posted in RCU over a year ago the his 37% Godfrey with a DA150 in it was 38lbs and When asked at the JR Challenge he said his 40% Godfrey was 41lbs. In little to no wind the TBM will be predictable in more wind which is usually the norm it may be less predictable. Again many pilots have proven that with Planes like Carden, Aerotech, Godfrey, Pirate, Composite ARF, 3W etc that 35% planes in the weight of 26-29lbs fly excellent as do 39-41lbs for 40%-42%. The proof is in the plane and in capable hands and setup correctly they are awesome machines.
Later
Ted
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
the composte 2.6 metre extra wing rocks bad in a harrier I seen with my own two eyes, bout 50-65 degress each time
07-31-2004 | 04:34 PM
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RE: what 35 % is the best for 3D
Well, i have seen the Comp-arfs fly quite a lot with no wing rock in harriers
If not perfomed properly, the wings can rock with many planes (such as the Capiche 50) . position of ailerons/setup and pilot skill make all the difference here, and are in most cases not down to bad design
If not perfomed properly, the wings can rock with many planes (such as the Capiche 50) . position of ailerons/setup and pilot skill make all the difference here, and are in most cases not down to bad design
07-31-2004 | 05:02 PM
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Point taken 
boy it was scary though it was hitting almost 70 degress, your rightr, I tried harriering a Tutor 40 and it wing rocked like no tomorrow
boy it was scary though it was hitting almost 70 degress, your rightr, I tried harriering a Tutor 40 and it wing rocked like no tomorrow
