Have a 40 size giles 202 and when flying like an old man, smooth and easy, no problems. But this is supposed to be an aerobatic airplane, when you pull agressivly on the elevator the plane falls out. For example, when in level flight and trying to make a 90 degree turn straight up, won't do it. plane falls off. whats the deal. Thought it might be wing incidence. Tried a different settings no dif.
under the assumption that I just bought a bogus ARF. This is a giant scale plane ARF, built by China R/C. Its strong and sturdy, but so what, if it flies like crap I dont care how it was built. I have a friend with another brand giles 202 and he has the same prob. So he is my question. I this problem inherent with the giles 202 or am I having a specific problem? Can anybody help me?

Pretty much just a giles characteristic. Giles are pretty snappy , some folks say they are snappier than a cap. I have to agree. Reduce your elvator throws on high rates.


All planes will snap on elevator if too much is applied to fast.


Chad

It's the Giles dude...mine does it too. You just got to fly this plane. No yank and bank. Beware of pulling up to sharply out of a dive too. You will find it snapping all the way in if your not careful. Just try to smooth out your inputs and manage the throttle...AND reduce the throws, you should be alright. You just have to fly the plane within it's limitations.

Jim C.

Well my friend, like me, I think you got the crap end of the stick on this plane.
I have a 61' Giles-202, and it snaps just like yours. I hate it.

The wings are swept further back than most 3D-aerobatics. I'm told that this makes for smoother flying at high speeds, yet very unstable at low speeds.

From what I've experienced with mine and others at my field who've flown a Giles-202 (.40 size to giant scale), they all have this inherent characteristic. I would'nt say thats its a problem with the plane. However, many people don't like it.

The low speed unstable feel makes for much more violent and aggressive snaps, but it makes it hard to do other 3D maneuvers. ie torque roll, harriers, etc.

I wish I knew this before I bought my Giles. Good luck with yours.
And much like my friend told me about my Giles when I realized that it flew this way, "My condolences to you."

I for one like mine. It is very FAST, and stable at speed. Indeed you have to fly this one the way it was intended. Mine will fly precision aerobatics great. It won't 3D worth a hoot.

If anyone want's to get rid of their Giles because of it's handling characteristics...send em to me . I'll give em a good home.

Jim C

There is a reason that I hate giles, you just hit it on the head.

Also, its a .40 sized model, you cant expect much from something that small. I was amazed that I could haul on my 28% edge like i can without it snapping out. Dont expect much out of a little plane. Scale models at .40 size can do good precision aerobatics but for 3Ding you really need a 3D plane or a big aerobatic ship. You can also get along with golden thumbs liek I've seen a few guys do... but for the rest of us mortals

Hey guys thanks for all the good info. Guess the giles wasn't the plane I was hoping it would be. I've been flying extra's and pattern planes with plenty of enjoyment. Thought the giles would be fun. Its anything but fun, I hate this plane. You have to fly it fast and it keeps you on your feet, can't relax for a second. I think what I disslike the most about it is, that it is soo unpredictable, you just don't know what its going to do and when its going to snap. And don't let me get started on dead stick landings with this thing. I'll stick with my funtana, have an ear to ear grin every time I fly it. Its a great plane for learning 3d.

So it's the Giles eh???? I have been breaking my head over this, been scanning all of RCU for solutions and tried a whole load of things to get my Kyosho Giles not exhibit the same behaviour. I worked weeks on dialling my two elevator-halves to be absolutely symmetrical, higher torque servos and stronger linkages, all the alignments and halves checked and counter checked, varied the engine thrust lines (up, down, left and right), changed prop pitches (from fine, coarse to wide). Only other thing left to do was to move the CG further back (yes, there are many discussions on right wing stalling on high alpha throws where they suggests to move CG further aft). Going to try this soon, cause there is a Funtana waiting in the box and a Cap partly drafted on the drawing board.
Thanks

You are right about the Giles. I like the smoothness of the Giles while doing high speed precision aerobatics. But as far as 3D, like everyone else has stated.... it's not ideal for that type of flying. The wings are too thin.

If 3D is what you want, then check out the Seagull Harrier 3D. It is a VERY capable 3D'er. I put a Saito 100 in mine and it is a lot of fun. Hovers nice, stable harriers, and flys really slow.

I still dig my Gules though...it is a handfull sometimes, but I like it a lot!

Jim C

Ok u guys are blamin this on the giles aeroframe. Now i kno it's by no means the best for 3d, but i DON'T have this problem with mine. I think that's it's because of the size. My first giles was a 60 sized plane and it snapped, but not that hard. It was more of a pattern plane. But my new giles is a 1.20 sized plane and this is MUCH better, but it still has the pattern feel about it. So if u want a 3d giles... u have to go big. If u just want a 3d plane, then i think aeronut has the right idea. I've heard alot of good stuff about this plane, and it's fairly cheap. If u like the smaller stuff, check out extrem modles' mini 3d or there edge 540 proflie.

Well I fly a 1:1 scale CAP 222 (Giles 202 but built in France) and if you pull hard she will flick like a ding bat so its nothing to do with the size of the machine. Sounds to me like the .4 is just like the real thing. Coming out of the bottom of a loop is the most likely place because the speed has not increased enough to match the high Alpha you can apply with the elivator. Happy flying