What is the best way to get into a waterfall. What I usually do is give it left rudder and ailoron and just as it makes it first roll I slam full down and full throttle and it throws it in there for a couple of spins and that is it. I was wondering how I could keep it in there. I know this is probably not a waterfall manuver but I was wondering if anyone has tried it.

Kevin

Sounds to me like you are doing a blender. If you want to keep it in a flat spin, reduce the throttle a little and ease you ailerons over to neutral. A waterfall is when you hover the plane and throw in full down elevator and it flips without loosing too much altitude.

Yeah I 2nd what 3D says. You gotta let off that throttle so it can float while flat spinning. The ailerons have to go to center or just off of center. I only use idle or just above idle for my blenders. On one of my fun fly's I give it full throttle and it looks like a frisbee as it decends slowly, but that is a fun fly. I would not do that on any of my other 3D planes.

Very similar to what 3D said, my waterfall is pointing into the wind, let it stall while slightly pointed up, give it flull down and full throttle for the first half, then let off throttle. When it comes back to the same attitude you started with, repeat the same procedure. Be sure to have lots of alititude, and you might need to correct with some aileron or rudder if the plane can't keep the wings level with the horizon by itself. It seems like once I get the first one going, the rest of them go really well. One of the keys is knowing when to roll on and off the throttle. The hardest part with a cheaper and smaller plane is compensating with rudder and/or aileron.

Look around the internet and you'll see videos of 3D moves. Study them closely and try them on a sim. Then do it at the field. works for me. I'll try to find one of a waterfall and come back to post it.

Ok, look at this RCU thread from Kyle300s. The first video has a Funtana 40 doing three watrerfalls in a row. It started right before the 1:00 minute mark in the video.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Funt...2180125/tm.htm

Hey guys,
Can anyone tell me why in a lot of the 3d videos I've seen, the pilots don't have their cowling on the planes?
Just curious, I figured it's probably something to do with weight or airflow to the engine, but I'm not sure, thanks..

Colin

On all the planes that i have removed the cowling from, the reason is that they are so overpowered that the motor overheats during a sustained hover due to lack of airflow over the larger motor.

Alright, that's what I figured, I have a Funtana that I'm going to get into 3d with, its a FT .40 and I have the Saito .82, I'm hoping I'll be able to run with the cowling on, I don't know yet...

Colin

Doing a proper waterfall with a small plane is much harder than its sounds. Some guys bang the sticks around and get something close but to do a proper waterfall you really have to fly the ailerons and rudder making constant corrections. Also, different throttle timing can make the move look totally different. The big planes make it look really cool.

My UCD does it best for me. End-over-end around the spar losing almost no altitude, at least that's what I attempt

The keys for a tight waterfall are good power, LOTS of elevator throw (50+ degrees), and flapperons help sometimes (ie down aileron with down elevator). On the throttle when the nose points down slightly past vertical and off slightly past vertical with the nose up.

Takes lots of practice.

Seems like what Sukoikid was doing was a Lomchevak and not a waterfall anyway. If that is what he was doing with the controls and he is flying a sukoi than I'm sure that is the correct stick movements to get the Sukoi to do the lomchevak. And if he were to move the sticks to the upper left most position it would tumble a few times and than it should go into a inverted flat spin, at least that's what mine does.

I have a Funtana with a YS 63 and I have the cowling on. I have no problems at all with cooling the engine. Sometimes people don't feeli like putting on the cowling since it's a pain and sometimes they get banged up and they remove them. But there is no problems with cowling on any plane as long as you have large enough cut outs at the bottom rear of the cowling. A rule of thumb I've heard is 3 to 1 (outlet area to inlet area). The Funtana looks a lot cooler with the wheel pants and cowling. I have one that has them both and another that has neither. They look kind of ugly without it.

I'm with Joe. I have a .82 in mine now. No cooling problems. Back in the summer I had a .72 in it on 30%. Never over heated it.

David

Thanks for all the info. I do a lot of crazy stuff with airplanes that I dont even know what they are called. lol. It is crazy sometimes.

Alright guys thanks,
yeah I agree with Joe, the funtana or any other plane really should have at least its cowling on, I fly off a grass field, I'm going to install the wheel pants, but I'm not going to fly with them, I'll just keep them around for show. It ruins the look when you just have the flat firewall upfront.

Colin