Is there a correct way to do these? do they have to be done with rudder and elevator or can they be done with just elevator or just rudder with aileron as well obviously and still look good and be correct.

you will fool some by not using all three controls but you will not fool the real fliers. My opinion is to practice straight rolls until you have the rudder/elevator coordinated then do the rolling circles. Jeff W.

my favorite manuever...

I always use this:

Rolling Right - Left Rudder, Down Elevator , Right Rudder, and Up elevator, while never letting off Right Aileron.

The opp. for Left rolls.

and yes, it is very good to just start with slow rolls and get the movemetns down.

good luck...

Chris

I have two questions, and if they're stupid questions, I apologize ahead of time. First of all, high rates or low rates for rolling circles? Second, do you neutralize inputs before putting in the next input? In other words, left rudder, neutralize, down elevator, neutralize, right rudder, neutralize, etc. Or is it just one big fluid motion-put in left rudder and before it's out, start to put in down, etc.

I think I'm actually starting to get the hang of it, but I can't quite get the timing right.

Thanks guys.

been practicing on the sim all morning and finaly getting the hang of them thanks for the help. Cougar I think that it is just a fluid motion but its what looks best you'll have to got out and fly to find out

Fluid, the controls should run into each smoothly, for example

Add in rudder and as you slowly begin to bleed it off add down elevator etc so that there is smooth transition

As a rule, low rate, unless going for rolling harrier circles [&:]. Not yet managed a one roll rolling circle, around 1 1/4 is best so far.

And at any one time, you should have both controls on. Remember that the rudder and elevator are keeping the nose up part of the time, and turning the plane round the circle part of the time. ie when the plane is inverted or right way up, the elevator is keeping the nose up, the rudder is turning the plane round the circle. When in knife edge, the rudder is keeping the nose up, the elevator turning the plane.

Flying Scotsman, remember to practise both ways, and if you feel up to it, rolling both ways (though I think most people are like me in finding it easier to roll to the right, turn to the left)

Yeah, Practice slower rolls in a bigger circle or just a straight line on LOW rates first, and when you get good at that, you can speed it up and start doing rolling harriers!!!

You could watch some videos on www.flyingcirkus.com.

its a great manuever to do, and an awesome way to get better with the rudder inputs..

Chris

It's really interesting to watch flyers that use different modes. I fly throttle and rudder on the left, and elevator ailerons on the right
stick. When doing very small and tight rolling circles there is a definite fluid motion as mentioned above.

But, the first time I looked closely at Sebastiano Silvestri fly his tight and fast rolling circles at Joe Nall, it was almost amusing to watch.
I think his rudder and elavtor are on the right stick. Flyers using that mode just kind of roll the right stick around at it's limits and the plane does the rest.

There is a flyer on The Flying Circus with some video showing something similar.
Here is the link -> [link=http://www.flyingcirkus.com/forum/tm.asp?m=23208&mpage=1&key=insane&#23617]docinsane[/link]

You might have to log in first, I'm not sure. He mentions in the post that he flies mode 1.

Bottom line is to give the plane what it wants to accomplish the maneuver. I always use hi rates for tight rollers.

To each his own_bob

thanks i didn't expect such a good responce still practicing them rolling boths ways. Thank God i have a sim it makes it so much easier to practice things like this.

Merry Christmass Maybe Santa Has tucked a new 3Der under your tree[X(]

Your sticks need to be constantly moving in a smooth rythmic motion. my thumbs have memorized this routine with full stick movement for mode 2. when I want to turn left or right flat or bring it up into high alpha rolling harrier I simply take something out for example flying from right to left while rolling if I want to turn left I will back off down elevator while airplane is passing through left knifedge with full up elevator while passing through right knifedge will steer the airplane to the left. it is much easier for me to take stuff out rather than to constantly have to look react and put stuff in. as long as you are putting everything in to max and constantly moving your sticks with no stopage you wont crash - this is step #1 it might look funny/rusty but is safe now you have all the time in world to work throttle and take out what you must to keep it smooth and in the direction you want.