What simulaters whuld u guys recumend for lurning 3D???[sm=confused.gif]

I have Ikarus Aerofly Pro Deluxe, got it right before christmas. I cannot say enough about how great it is. Its a little easier to hover in the sim than real life but let me tell you something. In 1 month I have taken some absolutely incredible leaps in skill thanks to my sim. I think its a twofold benefit. 1 is its VERY realistic, 2 is that it allows you to get a tremendous amount of stick time taking risks and doing things you couldnt normally afford to gamble to learn. IN a 4 hour trip to the field you might get to fly for 45 minutes. In 4 hours at the sime I can get 4 solid hours of continuous practice.

In 1 month here are the things I have imoproved 10 times with AFPD.
Most of all rolling harriers, but also I can now do a 1 roll rolling circle, I can do REAL low altitude high alpha knife edge passes like 5-10 high with my 30% Edge in real life. I could already most all 3D maneuvers pretty well but with all the time I have spent on AFPD I cannot believe how much better I have gotten with my real plane in such a short period of time. AFPD does awesome and realistic spins and snaps, and if you download the farmland-grid scenery from www.aeroflypro.com you will have a great virtual grid in the sky of the farmland scenery to help you maintain orientation and even better help give you lines to work on centering and good geometry in sequence flying like pattern and IMAC... Best $180 I have spent yet in modeling.

Mike

What are the system Requirements???

justin go to the link bigned gave you.

2G processor, 1G hard drive space, 512MG ram, and at least 128MG video card. The newer NVIDIA cards work well. I love Aerofly! The hardest thing for me right now is inverted high alpha- steering with the rudder reversed is crazy! I must have killed at least $500,000 worth of planes so far! Probably more if you stop to count

LOVE the photo-realistic sceneries!

I have Aerofly Pro, Aerofly Pro Deluxe, Reflex and G3.

I think Aerofly does a great job for simulating large planes, but G3 has an edge for smaller ones when it comes to 3D.

I enjoy flying G3 more, and I think it makes me a better pilot due to it's stall induced snap roll characteristics. AFP/AFPD are both very forgiving in this respect.

My favorite plane on G3 is the Pitts on vol 4 Add ons. The Yak is pretty good right out of the box, but I needed to increase the power and throws for the Pitts for great 3D.

will the inter face cable work with a 9C on aerofly pro dx

you will need the futoba micro adapter

Gary

Yep you need the adaptor for the 9C. That is what I fly, just remember to take your frequency module out when you are flying the sim. Its better for your radio and it makes the batteries last WAY longer.

I have a weird grounding issue and get a lot of fliker in the control surfaces similar to interference. I think its because my house has the old 2 wire configuration and there is no true green wire to ground.

I solved teh problem by making a jumper that is taped to the usb cord, it sis clipped tot he metal frame of the computer tower and I hold the other little clip in my left pakm. Makes a perfect ground, no interference and I dont even know its there. I guess I can throw it away if I ever move or rewire my house.


Mike

The new G3 is very good. I've used the Ikarus Pro, is good also but the G3 is more realistic. It takes into consideration many things we don't think of like gravity, inertia, etc. The down side is it needs a high end computer to take advantage of all it can do. A P4 2.8(or equal) with 1Gig of Ram and a 256Mb video card. A 5200 works but a 5700 will run it without flicker with all options on, at any of the fling fields.

Depends on what you want to do. The one thing that AFPD misses is totally realistic snap tendencies but they arent that far from realistic I would say they are 85% accurate. If you play with (reduce) the dihedral, incidence and move the cg back one thing at a time a little at a time you can get them to behave exactly like the real RC plane. Personally the Cap 232 in AFPD flies exactly like my Lanier edge right out of the box. I would say that if you want a program to practice 3D or pattern, In my opinion, (which we all have) AFPD will give you a more realistic look. I say that because , in my opinion, some things in G3 are WAY harder than the real thing and I couldnt tune it DOWN to reality.

Mike

Ditto on the G3 being harder then reality. As I said before "very good" but when it comes to 3D(torque rolls, water falls, etc.) the G3 makes it a little harder then real life. The Ikarus on the other hand makes it too easy IMO. I think down the road there will be some software adjustments made on the G3 and the I-Pro. Pick one and use it, both will make you a better pilot.

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The new G3 is very good. I've used the Ikarus Pro, is good also but the G3 is more realistic. It takes into consideration many things we don't think of like gravity, inertia, etc. The down side is it needs a high end computer to take advantage of all it can do. A P4 2.8(or equal) with 1Gig of Ram and a 256Mb video card. A 5200 works but a 5700 will run it without flicker with all options on, at any of the fling fields.
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KE software dosent recomend the 5200 at all with G3. I found a thread in another (other than RCU) forum. where the development manager and one of the programmers have a thread.. The NVIDIA 4600 and 4800 are actually faster cards than the 5200.. they are also having certain issues with the 5200.. I read all 380 posts on that forum. they say for best results ati 9600 or anything down to 5200 excluding 5200..

personally i have a 4800 and mine runs it fine at 60 frames a sec but im also killing some of my graphics to get that speed. which is still not burning the world up... If you get under 30 FPS you will notice flicker because the eye can catch up to 30 FPS and detects it as flicker..

interestingly enough on my AFP im getting 68 FPS with a photorealistc background so on mine the are running about the same frame rate with either.

If you already know how to fly and will ever,ever,ever try aerobatic 3D,high Alpha stuff, don't listen or buy anything but Aerofly Pro, I have the regular Aerofly Pro and can't wait to get the deluxe it is as close as you can get to the real experience,,

so you guys say aerofly pro dx wuld be the best for 3d.

Yep

If you think Aerofly is too easy turn the simulation speed up to about 140%- The airplane flies much more realistically IMHO. With it set to 100% it is almost impossible to tip- stall an airplane, and it seems way too floaty. With it set at 140% if you get a little crazy it is possible for the airplane to snap right out from under you. Faster it is much more challenging, and speeds up your reaction times. Plus Aerofly has better sceneries, tons of FREE downloadable airplanes -my favorite is a ExtraEX with the grey/ white scheme that I downloaded from one of the sites listed in the forum. It flies awesome- the Cap 232 is one sweet machine as well. I don't even like the 330 any more. PLUS there is excellent customer support in an RCU forum. AFPD can be a little buggy sometimes, but you don't care so long as you can fly it!

I don't like G2 at all- it is next to impossible to do high alpha maneuvers- it is soo frustrating trying to hover, or TR, or harier, or even pull up hard at speed when it just seems to snap/ crash EVERY STINKING TIME!!! I have only sampled G3 and I wasn't anywhere near as impressed with it.