Trying to get a comparison for 3-D or all around flying.....how is the DB Edge or Extra compared to the Hangar 9 Edge?

WAAAYYY BETTER!!! The Hangar 9 Edge will not 3D the way the DP Extra does. I run the Moki 2.10, and 8411's all around. There are videos of both planes here, www.3dbatix.com. Check em out. The DP Extra flies a WHOLE LOT better than the H9 Edge. It is lighter, and has more control authority. It flies bigger too, more like a 33% airplane than a 25%. IMAC is good too, it tracks great, and does everything.

? dp extra lighter than a H9 edge??? sorry thats not true, h9 edge weigh around 11-13 lbs extra is around 14-16

The DP Extra is 100% better than the H9 Edge. It is both built far superior, and actually will fly unlimited 3D and Freestyle... unlike the H9 Edge.

Having seen a video of a bog standard DP Extra flying 3D (3DBatix), my Edge instantly went up for sale, and I still have it now, really uninteresting to me.. it flies crap, won't knife egde properly, snap rolls lose noticable height (and yes i cna perfrom them... i do fly IMAC) for the Size and weight of it, it feels a lot heavier in the air, especially in 3D. My small Kyosho CAP actually has better 3D capabilities! .... the Edge weighs 12lb.

3DBatixkid knows what hes on about too.. he flies fiberclassics stuff... i'd go with his word.

I have both. Here's what I believe to be the major contributors to the difference in flying quality. By the way, I agree the DP is much much sweeter to fly.

The construction method on the DP is very very light. Holes everywhere you can think of and just the right amount of wood for strength where it is needed. For example, the fuse section from the wing saddle to the firewall on the H9 is 2x 1/8" ply glued together(1/4") ... the DP is 1/8" ply with a few doublers. H9 is heavier for it's respective size.

Size: visually the DP is much larger...fuse is fatter wings are much wider... just bigger. One of the guys at the field thought it weighed 20+lbs... It's really between 14 +16...

Wing area: Dp=1220 vs H9 1010

I'm telling you the DP flies itself. For me, when it comes to low and slow 3d ... you need a plane that can recover without losing alttitide and that means wing area and low wing loading.

Based on a lot of valuable feedback I received on this board about the tail heavy DP I was able to avoid a lot of frustration. Ended up mounting a Moki 2.10 (heavy but POWER) to off set the tail. Additionally, I mounted a 1800 mah Nicad on the engine box. No lead needed. I will now start moving the battery pack back bit by bit to fit my flying needs.

However, the H9 looks very cool. And i would be willing to sell mine if interested?? Perfect shape...just not sure about shipping?

Mike

I didn't say that the Extra was lighter, I said that it FLIES lighter. Which it does.

Since I have been flying model airplanes I have owned the following Dave Patrick designed airplanes

2 Carl Goldberg Extra 300
1 Carl Goldberg Chipmunk-(also a WM Chipmunk-same design)
1 Cermark Pitts
1 Carl Goldberg Bucker Jungman
2 Carl Goldberg Ultimates
1 Dave Patrick Ultimate

What I have learned is that Dave Patrick know how to design a model airplane and it will not be available to you (the consumer) untill it is perfect. (I just wish his planes were a bit bigger for gas)

The H9 is what it is... a good flying plane. The DP is an exceptional flying plane. Really apples to oranges on this one.

The H9 Edge is very easy to 3D....... on the hands of Somenzini!!!

i have a 3.2 on my DP Extra and i had satio 180 on my 2 H-9 Edges. That DP is huge compared to most planes in the 25-27 range. The wings look clipped they are huge with large ailerons. The DP needs a gas motor were the H-9 can get by without one. I did install a ZDZ 40 on my 2nd H-9, now that was power to spare maybe to much power (did I say that) To make a long story short go with the DP with 1200 sq. inches of flying wing and life will be great (gas motor) then enjoy the friendly skies.

AJ5--2 i will be back in NC next month so hopefully i will see ya when the fly ins start back up.

How would the dp extra fly with a saito 180 ?

-Vipul

I don't have a degree in computer science or anything, but is there a way to get the entire file in a download as opposed to viewing it? For some reason mine never finishes buffering and I can't get the files? I notice there are different ways media player handles movies. Can someone splain it to me

Right click on the video link and choose "Save Target as" and save it to your hard drive. Depending on how the video was encoded, some are done to play thru the internet which is called streaming video and some are just playable thru the local hard drive which you would need to download. Streaming videos are also downloadable to your local hard drive if you have a slow internet connection and that is when you right click the link and choose "Save Target as"

It was ghosted out and wouldn't let me save it if I remember correctly. I've run into some in the past that I couldn't save. Why is that?

Oh yes, some of them are protected where you can not download the file directly. The link points to an html page instead of the video file. This is one way of protecting the video from being distributed by other people.

Oh Well

vipul,

re. saito 1.80:


I have one of the first to be produced and they came oput a bit tail heavy which needed to be countered with nose weight. The obvious solution was to mount a heavier more powerful engine. Therefore, I mounted the moki 2.10 to the nose and still needed to mount the 1800 mah NiCad on the engine box in order to hit a conservative first flight CG. On my plane a ys 1.40 would require additional nose weight probably in the form of lead making the airplane even heavier working against the lighter less powerful ys 1.40.

Now the new DP Extra's have the wing mounted more aft making it easier to use lighter engines and hit the recommended CG. It would be interesting to see where the balance is with a saito 1.80 and a small light weight battery pack?

What I'm getting at is that with the new models the saito 1.80 might be sufficient given the potential weight savings?

I would personally go with a larger engine and mount the battery aft to hit the proper CG. But if I already had a saito, I might just try using it first and then change to a larger engine if I was not happy after the first few flights.

Just a few thoughts.

Mike

What gasser woudl be recommended... and would it be recommended over a Moki 2.10?

What servos on ailerons? I used Standards on my H9 Edge ailerons and had no problems with torque at all, apart from flying at high speed, but still only a slight decrease in roll rate. I would therefore consider using 9001s ... would that be ok ?? If The Edge sells I could probably take 8411s on ailerons too!

Welsh3D,

DP recommends a minimum of 100oz for each aileron on my early version (one aileron servo per wing). However, the new version has two bays on each wing for ailerons, so he may have changed the minimum. Personnally, I would go with the strongest fastest servos i could afford. The airplane deserves these servos and will be capable of using every bit of the speed and torque. JMO.

Mike

thanks... nicely said

I just read his advice earlier today on the DP website about the aileron servos. He recommended as stated, 100oz/in minimum for the primary, but said that a premium mini servo was sufficient for the secondary servo on each wing. That kind of sounds fishy to me, but then I don't own that plane (it's a money thing right now) and can't comment 1st hand. Now about Welsh3D who is running standards in the wing of a H9 Edge. Yes they will most certainly work fine, but I would be afraid of the obvious, that they will fail a lot sooner than you would expect! A mini servo might do the trick too, but the strength thing comes out best in how long the servos last before they cause a crash. I'm using 110oz servos all the way around, one in each wing and pull - pull on rudder/elevator. I don't want flutter or any other thing to cause a premature crash. Just my low budget opinion.