Guys,

I put my h9 edge in this weekend. Was able to recover the engine and the radio. So since I have already put 2 h9 edges into the ground, I wanted to get something new for this engine.

So what do you guys recommend ? I initially was thinking DP extra but then I read that the 1.80 is a bad choice for this plane.

So what are your recommendations for great hovering, 3d, etc for the 1.80 ?

-Vipul

Sig CAP 231ex. Nice and light. Only recomend this because I have it, but if I put my cap into the ground and the motor survives, I'll be contacting Yellow Aircraft for the new 1.20 sized Edge...... But since I havn't flown it I cant really recomend it

Hello,

If you can wait a few months, the World Models Fun 3D is should be perfect for your Saito 180. Quad flap, light wing loading, mid wing, large control surfaces,...

http://www.theworldmodels.com/funworld3d.htm

Vipul,
I have a Sig Cap231EX NIB for sale. Let me know if you're interested, and what you'd like to pay for it. I am in Los Angeles area.
DKjens

Guys,

I have heard that the SIG is built really lightly and wont take any abuse especially on landing. Also can the YellowAircraft Edge do 3D, it looks more like an IMAC plane. What do you guys say.

-Vipul

If you want a REALLY 3D plane, try the Funtana.

If you want to try a profile, Ohio Model Planes makes an 80" Edge Profile that does all the 3d you could imagine.

Mike

What about a H-9 Cap?

I currently have the Giantscaleplanes.com Katana Also known as the Creek Katana, I don't like it that much for the style of flying that I like. I am going to take my 1.80 out of it and get the OPM edge 540 profile. Seems like a much better plane my fun flying style preference. I'll probably end up giving away my Katana if any one wants to cover the shipping costs. It has had some bumbs and bruises, landing gear ripped off on one harrier landing but has been fixed. It went through a part of the fuse but was re-covered and looks OK. Hadn't made up my mind about what to do with it just yet.

Jason

The great planes giles 202 arf is supposed to be perfect for a saito 180

I think the giles is a great choice. Anyone know anything about the pacific aermodels laser 200 ??

-Vipul

Guys,

I have heard that the SIG is built really lightly and wont take any abuse especially on landing. Also can the YellowAircraft Edge do 3D, it looks more like an IMAC plane. What do you guys say.

-Vipul

You know, it is built very light (that's why it flyes really well). If flown very tail heavy, perfect landings are hard, and a little engineering has to go into beefing up the gear and block.
If people want to fly a nice large, light, tail heavy plane, and wants it to stay together, then they should spend 10 times more and get a composite plane. I really get a little ticked, when people start ragging on a plane often for no good reason. How many hard flyers or 3D people stay within recommended engine size, NONE. How many people beef up landing gear and block before making harrier landings? Very few untill after damage has been done, and they rag about that.
Vipul,
Take whining with a big grain of salt, ask the whiner some questions and maybe it's all his/hers fault, not the design of the airplane.
I fly a U Can Do 3D with a YS120SC in the nose. Am I going to whine when it rips the firewall out, or now that my landing gear block has been ripped out? No, because I know I'm exposing the airframe to more strees than it was intended for.
DKjens

I have the SIG Cap and it is very light compared to other planes in this size (H9 Cap more specifically). I havn't owned the H9 so I can't comment on the robustness but I can say with my Sig during setup I had quite a few epiphanies while learning to land this plane. Much different than the 40-sized things I'm used to. For one, with the 18x8 if you chop throttle, it will drop FAST (good airbrake!). I learned this on approach which I did my usual come in just right and chop throttle about 5 feet high. POOF, plane stalled flat and pancaked (so to speak) on the landing gear. Nothing damaged but my pride. A few more landings before I got used to landing 'under power' and nothing happened there. Perhaps on a nose-in it may blow apart but from the abuse I've put it through I can say it wont fall apart from even rough flying. After all, do we want flying tanks or planes? I'll take the plane, you can have the tank.

- Joe

Guys,

This Sig is sounding better and better and the plane is beautiful. Now the question is can this plane do 3d, hover, torque roll, harrier. Or is it more of an IMAC plane which is good for basic aerobatics ? What would you say ?

-Vipul

Sig cap 231 is one bad machine when it comes to 3d it excells. If you come in under 11lbs that is normal for this bird. I never did ripped my gear off, and all my landing were not of the caliber of my landings today. I say the plane is light and very strong. The plane again will not take the kind of abuse an overbuilt plane will take. So honestly look at how you land. It you are the type to come in from 10' and drop the plane 1 out of 3 times maybe the gear will come out. If you fly a plane to the runway, this one willl be a piece of cake. Blenders and flatspins this thing has along with caps in general is the ticket (huge elevaotor to stab ratio, larger rudder) I had 2 of these plane back in the day and i gave my 1st one hell (knife edge snaps, blenders, flat spins, poor throttle mangement and she held together quite well. She did how ever from my abuse break a wing on me in flight from a very fast outside to inside rolling circle (6 months of life RIP). Total loss as i could not move my left finger off 1/2 throttle as i watch her dive in to the frozen ground to destroy a satio 180. No fault of Sig or the planes structure. Again this was my intoduction into 1/4 scales, and i flew her hard young and dumb looking back at how i treat a plane now a days. This a very popular kit you should be able to see one personally around your way.

I think the Dave Patrick Ultimate 120 is better than the Sig Cap in terms of 3D and smoothness. It has larger control surfaces, plus it has more wing area for better harrier. It also has longer fuse length than wing span, which will hover more stably. It is also slightly lighter.

Vipul, you're right. In my opinion, the Sig 300 is one of the best looking 25% Extra's in the ARF market(see pics). This plane will indeed IMAC w/ the best of them. Knife edge right off the deck and a Lomcevack from hell. But if it's 3D you're looking for stay away from this bird. Very poor wing loading and even w/ the CG way back 3D remains quite difficult. Note Saito 180

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I equipped mine w/ smoke after I realized that I could'nt 3D it. Slimline makes a smoke muff for the Saito that really works great!

Thanks for the info, actually I was wondering about the Sig CAP for 3D ? Do you think it is just like the extra in that respect ? Please let me know, thanks.

-Vipul

So I even went as far as to detail the cockpit

Vipul, I'm not familliar w/ the cap. I've seen a couple of guys bangin' around w/em @ the field (basic IMAC), however, no 3D. does anyone else out there have info on the Sig Cap?

Take Note:

The Sig Cap will 3D with the best of them:

Blenders
Harriers
T-roll with enough motor
Elevators
Wall
P-chute

Can't speak for the rolling elevator/harrier as at the time i owned this plane i could or did not even attempt this move.

IMAC is great with this bird

I also have owned the Sig 300 and still do own the DP Bipe if i can be of any futher assistance.........

I'm happy to hear that somebody with some experience will back me up. It's just way to often, that a plane, engine, specific brand or other get a bad rep, from the mouth of either beginners, imbessiles (spelling he he), or just plane ignorant and dumb people. How many people don't you see fly, their landing are mini crashes at best, and then they complain about planes not being strong enough. How many people complain about the Cap snapping turning on final, at low speed and high angle of attack, hello, these aerobats were designed to snap well, this dumbass pilot just don't know how to fly the plane to the runway. Oh, and just to mention, how many people give up on many of the Europena 2-stroke engines because they can't make them run right, without ever trying anything but 15% nitro fuel, STUPID. I'll mention it again: "I have a Sig Cap231EX NIB, still in bags, that I'm selling. I also have one of three YS engines to go with it, 120SC, 140FZ or 140L, if a "better running and less messy thab Saito engine" is desired. That ought to open a can of worms he he.
DKjens

The Sig CAP is about 2-3lbs LIGHTER than the Sig Extra. That'll make all the difference in the world to your Saito 1.80