Update:Cannot get wings to stop rocking!!
08-08-2006 | 02:32 PM
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I was flying a 120 sized plane I designed this morning, getting ready to shoot some video. One of the moves I was working on led to me screwing up the harrier chars of this plane. Here's what happened: I was doing a turnaround move i use, a stationary front flip from a low wall, back across in an inverted harrier. Problem was, I couldn't get the rotation tight enough, even though I was only blipping the throttle. So I mixed in some flaperons on a switch. So now the rotation's tight but the airplane responds way different with or without flapperons, unlike when you flip rate switch. So I wanted to see if I could do everything I was planning with the flapperons on. Upright harriers and elevators now had this big, loping rock, so the elevator looked more like it was walking down stairs. So I just changed mindset and started in with the quick corrections/anticipations you need to control wingrock and it was fine. Even though the plane flies a bit looser, I'll leave them in for the vid.
I was flying a 120 sized plane I designed this morning, getting ready to shoot some video. One of the moves I was working on led to me screwing up the harrier chars of this plane. Here's what happened: I was doing a turnaround move i use, a stationary front flip from a low wall, back across in an inverted harrier. Problem was, I couldn't get the rotation tight enough, even though I was only blipping the throttle. So I mixed in some flaperons on a switch. So now the rotation's tight but the airplane responds way different with or without flapperons, unlike when you flip rate switch. So I wanted to see if I could do everything I was planning with the flapperons on. Upright harriers and elevators now had this big, loping rock, so the elevator looked more like it was walking down stairs. So I just changed mindset and started in with the quick corrections/anticipations you need to control wingrock and it was fine. Even though the plane flies a bit looser, I'll leave them in for the vid.
08-08-2006 | 03:29 PM
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I was flying a 120 sized plane I designed this morning, getting ready to shoot some video. One of the moves I was working on led to me screwing up the harrier chars of this plane. Here's what happened: I was doing a turnaround move i use, a stationary front flip from a low wall, back across in an inverted harrier. Problem was, I couldn't get the rotation tight enough, even though I was only blipping the throttle. So I mixed in some flaperons on a switch. So now the rotation's tight but the airplane responds way different with or without flapperons, unlike when you flip rate switch. So I wanted to see if I could do everything I was planning with the flapperons on. Upright harriers and elevators now had this big, loping rock, so the elevator looked more like it was walking down stairs. So I just changed mindset and started in with the quick corrections/anticipations you need to control wingrock and it was fine. Even though the plane flies a bit looser, I'll leave them in for the vid.
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I was flying a 120 sized plane I designed this morning, getting ready to shoot some video. One of the moves I was working on led to me screwing up the harrier chars of this plane. Here's what happened: I was doing a turnaround move i use, a stationary front flip from a low wall, back across in an inverted harrier. Problem was, I couldn't get the rotation tight enough, even though I was only blipping the throttle. So I mixed in some flaperons on a switch. So now the rotation's tight but the airplane responds way different with or without flapperons, unlike when you flip rate switch. So I wanted to see if I could do everything I was planning with the flapperons on. Upright harriers and elevators now had this big, loping rock, so the elevator looked more like it was walking down stairs. So I just changed mindset and started in with the quick corrections/anticipations you need to control wingrock and it was fine. Even though the plane flies a bit looser, I'll leave them in for the vid.
08-08-2006 | 04:31 PM
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RE: Cannot get wings to stop rocking!!
that's why some folks setup a spoileron mix for harriers, to force a better wing stall. Raising the TE of your 'rons 1/8" or so could tame things down a bit.
08-08-2006 | 05:06 PM
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that's why some folks setup a spoileron mix for harriers, to force a better wing stall. Raising the TE of your 'rons 1/8" or so could tame things down a bit.
that's why some folks setup a spoileron mix for harriers, to force a better wing stall. Raising the TE of your 'rons 1/8" or so could tame things down a bit.
then again, so is mixing, expo, D/R, and anything other than a 4 channel Futaba Atack system.
08-08-2006 | 08:01 PM
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That's cheating
then again, so is mixing, expo, D/R, and anything other than a 4 channel Futaba Atack system.
ORIGINAL: cncswiss1
that's why some folks setup a spoileron mix for harriers, to force a better wing stall. Raising the TE of your 'rons 1/8" or so could tame things down a bit.
that's why some folks setup a spoileron mix for harriers, to force a better wing stall. Raising the TE of your 'rons 1/8" or so could tame things down a bit.
then again, so is mixing, expo, D/R, and anything other than a 4 channel Futaba Atack system.
08-09-2006 | 09:08 AM
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Hi Mike,
I was able to chat with John Braziel late last night at the field. He was flying a 40% Carden Yak-54, and told me that the Yak dos require higher than normal alpha for the Harriers. I'll just have to get used to fly it like that. can't wait for my DA-50 to arrive to try it again.
There was a full moon right above the lake at our field last night and these sguys were hoveing in front of it and taking video and pictures...AWESOME!!!
I was able to chat with John Braziel late last night at the field. He was flying a 40% Carden Yak-54, and told me that the Yak dos require higher than normal alpha for the Harriers. I'll just have to get used to fly it like that. can't wait for my DA-50 to arrive to try it again.
There was a full moon right above the lake at our field last night and these sguys were hoveing in front of it and taking video and pictures...AWESOME!!!
08-09-2006 | 11:06 AM
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Hi Mike,
I was able to chat with John Braziel late last night at the field. He was flying a 40% Carden Yak-54, and told me that the Yak dos require higher than normal alpha for the Harriers. I'll just have to get used to fly it like that. can't wait for my DA-50 to arrive to try it again.
There was a full moon right above the lake at our field last night and these sguys were hoveing in front of it and taking video and pictures...AWESOME!!!
Hi Mike,
I was able to chat with John Braziel late last night at the field. He was flying a 40% Carden Yak-54, and told me that the Yak dos require higher than normal alpha for the Harriers. I'll just have to get used to fly it like that. can't wait for my DA-50 to arrive to try it again.
There was a full moon right above the lake at our field last night and these sguys were hoveing in front of it and taking video and pictures...AWESOME!!!
By the way, heres a a look at arguably the best 3D pilot in the world. He won the nationals in freestyle this year and he is only about 17 years old. I have never seen a pilot with this level of confidence and control for 3D. This video was shot about 2 weeks ago. Its hosted by another site but so what, its a look at true greatness.
[link=http://www.dodvideos.com/dod_flyin_2006_01a.wmv]Kyle W 3D[/link]
08-09-2006 | 01:56 PM
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By the way, heres a a look at arguably the best 3D pilot in the world. He won the nationals in freestyle this year and he is only about 17 years old. I have never seen a pilot with this level of confidence and control for 3D. This video was shot about 2 weeks ago. Its hosted by another site but so what, its a look at true greatness.
[link=http://www.dodvideos.com/dod_flyin_2006_01a.wmv]Kyle W 3D[/link]
By the way, heres a a look at arguably the best 3D pilot in the world. He won the nationals in freestyle this year and he is only about 17 years old. I have never seen a pilot with this level of confidence and control for 3D. This video was shot about 2 weeks ago. Its hosted by another site but so what, its a look at true greatness.
[link=http://www.dodvideos.com/dod_flyin_2006_01a.wmv]Kyle W 3D[/link]
BTW, Kyle got into this hobby by buying G2 as a game. A year ago that was the sim(G2) he was still using and argued that he thought it was the best.
08-09-2006 | 05:12 PM
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RE: Cannot get wings to stop rocking!!
Kyle was the guy who recommended learning to control wing rock in G2. When I read that I decided not to upgrade to G3. Like he said, if you can control harrier wing rock in G2, a real model will be no problem
08-09-2006 | 05:17 PM
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In fact, I'm working on torque rolling circles in G2 right now, as I wait for that vid to download. I have two computers set up side by side. right now one is on RCU and the other is running G2. Life is good!
08-10-2006 | 02:22 PM
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[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/mvp/videolink.cfm?postid=50]Kyle Funtana[/link]
Thats one of them, but I still have not found the other one or the one in the snow, which was my favorite.
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/mvp/videolink.cfm?postid=50]Kyle Funtana[/link]
Thats one of them, but I still have not found the other one or the one in the snow, which was my favorite.
http://www.kyle.macapple.com/
It is the "kyle hay ya" video I think you are talking about with his F40/YS63 taken Feb, 04. I have it download on my computer (25mb)
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BTW, I don’t think G2 is the best simulator. I sold my G2 and bought AFPD and do not regret it--you can make AFPD as difficult as you want it to be.
08-16-2006 | 06:26 PM
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RE: Cannot get wings to stop rocking!!
Hi all,
i just got my DA-50 back fro service so it was showtime last night.
I switched to a 23x8 prop, overall performance has improved a lot. However............ha,ha,ha.........wings still rock during Harrier.
waht I did was, as suggested, tried to anticipate and correct. Works good for a while. However, the airplane did track alright so I took it down to the deck right in front of me and harriered it and hovered it. Wings still rock but I guess I can live with it since it is controllable. The 23x8 pulls out of danger a lot better than the 22x10.
Still not as good as my old 27% Cap 232 on Harrier mode, but it's fun to fly.
Next step is to check lateral balance.
David
i just got my DA-50 back fro service so it was showtime last night.
I switched to a 23x8 prop, overall performance has improved a lot. However............ha,ha,ha.........wings still rock during Harrier.
waht I did was, as suggested, tried to anticipate and correct. Works good for a while. However, the airplane did track alright so I took it down to the deck right in front of me and harriered it and hovered it. Wings still rock but I guess I can live with it since it is controllable. The 23x8 pulls out of danger a lot better than the 22x10.
Still not as good as my old 27% Cap 232 on Harrier mode, but it's fun to fly.
Next step is to check lateral balance.
David
08-16-2006 | 11:41 PM
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RE: Cannot get wings to stop rocking!!
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Did you increase the throw?? Just curious since you did not say.
Did you increase the throw?? Just curious since you did not say.
