i have been a serious rc heli pilot for a while now, i have some experience with planes, they are easy because of my experience with helis, my dad has a couple he lets me fly for him, i actually trained him. Im thinking about trying out planes but i have a question. This is a plane i have been offered by a good friend in my local club

Great Planes 60 size extra 300
All new ball bearing servos w/ OS 90 4 stroke
remote glow starter
$250.00



ive always wanted a plane for flying serious 3d similar to the yak on g3, is this sufficient hover capable? i think its an awsome price. ive seen him fly it

This is not really a good topic for the Beginners forum. You might get more/better responses if you posted this in the 3-D forum.

On another note....
I dont have personal experience with the GP .60 Extra, but a .91 4-stroke seems good. A good 3-D machine needs to be light, be overpowered, and have control surfaces with the ability to deflect enough for 3-D manuevers. While I'm pretty sure the GP Extra was not designed for 3-D, it can probably be used for it, though it might not be the best option. But here's a question for you: have you asked your friend if this is a good 3-D plane? Since you're buying it from a good friend, and you've seen him fly it, you would get the best information from him! While I'm sure you could get good answers from people on RCU that have flown this plane/engine combo, every plane is unique. You have direct access to seeing the plane fly, so I think asking your friend is your best option.

I have not seen one that is light enough to make it suitable for 3D. It also has comparably small control surfaces. What does it weigh?

To start I better recomend a 3d plane with a larger wing area (constant chord) and long tail, this planes can fly like trainer if you want or do very predictable 3d; like the diablotin, madness, TT spirit 3d, Hype 3d, Ripmax bossanova, CA Model Funky, etc; Add a big and low pitch prop (4strokers are better handling them) and you will have a winner

3D? No, not a good plane.

To get your sticks going with airplanes and learning how to land a plane, yea it will work. You can do all the roller moves and most advanced aerobatic tricks.

If you can hover it, your doing great. It will wing rock like crazy in a harrier and may even snap out. The slow flying of that bird is why it does not make a good 3D plane.

For 250, hard to pass up.

Buy it.

I'd buy it. It would be a good aerobatic/sport plane, plus at 250 it looks like a steal.

no, no, no, no, no, no. NO. No, that is not a plane you want to buy for 3D. Seriously, no. The control surfaces are way too small and the ailerons stop way too far out on the wing. You need ailerons that come in close enough so that the prop wash passes over them. The prop diamater on that plane will never get there and therefore you will have no aileron control in a harrier attitude or a hover. NO.

Go over to the 3D forum and we will help you over there. There are lots of good choices, but that is not one of them for 3D. Precision Aerobatics, maybe but definitely not 3D.

Thank you, Mike, I agree with some added reasons.

The elevator area is too small. The fuselage is short coupled. It has a pretty thin wing, requiring more speed to maintain lift and therefore will not slow down well. It's short on wing area for the size of the plane. The rudder area is almost, but not quite, adaquate.

In short, this is a plane that was designed to look a lot like an Extra and fly fairly standard aerobatics at a fairly high speed. Trying to learn 3D on this plane would be a lot of work, extremely frustrating, and likely ending fairly soon with a crashed plane. Use the same amount of money and pick up a U Can Do or something similar and learn it correctly from the beginning. You don't need to go to the plate with two strikes already against you. An even better starting choice would be a Funtana.

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One of these days I'll slow down and proof this stuff before I hit the ok button

you are dealing with 10yr old technology here. 3d didn't become popularized until about 1999. When this plane was on the drawing board, 3d didn't exist !

The price is great on that plane I wouldnt pass it up. All the gear is worth 250 so you could take it out and put it in a more 3D type plane if you wanted.