Here is my skill level

Taught myself on a duraplane and moved on to the durastick after a bad crash
I was able to learn loops, rolls, jack-knifes, inverted fligth, and stall turns
I have since moved on to a pattern plane and am having a blast.
Heke, i am even flying a heli
I want to get into 3d

What do you guys think would be a good plane to look into
I was looking at alot of scale 3d planes but found out they are not as good for learning 3d.
I have seen a lot of 3d planes at my field that i think are called profiles. Ugly, but sure get the job done well.
I am defenitly limited to a 16 years olds budget.

I would like to get a nice 2-stroke over a 4-stroke because of the price
Have a 70 4-stroke in my pattern and it flys great but was expensive and not as powerful as i hoped.

What do you guys think would be a good plane

I am going to use an Airfoilz Edge 540 electric to learn 3d on. Cheap, insane power to weight, and pretty durable. After that I'll move to a 25% Yak or something.

One type - Profile

One word - Mojo

Word!!

for engine
2 stroke: webra 50
to order call
Telephone (204)885 1860 or visit http://members.shaw.ca/webra/
he shud have the engine. hez located in canada

4stroke: saito 82
http://www.donalds-hobby.com/Prod/sc...idproduct=1484
email him for a special price. Great guy to deal with

Thanks guys

Were could i get a mojo

I looked into 3d electrics before but the price of lipo batteries turrned me down.

Billy Hell RC sells them!!!!!

Okay I will look there

are there any cheaper profile planes than the mojo?

190 is pretty pricy for that kind of a plane i would think.

Here's one that for training purposes as a 1st 3d'er is as good and "on special" at the moment

http://www.ohiomodelplanes.com/48katanaarf/

Was just going to ask about that one.

What if i looked into the twist 40-60 3D

How do those perform?

Do a profile.

Use that 70 stroker on a Mojo ARF and change your world.

The profiles have a much better knife edge among several other advantages.

I know they are not the most attractive birds, however you want a 3D plane for the way it flys, not for the way it looks.

The Twist would be one of my first choices If I was looking for a "normal" fuselage in a first 3d'er

I have had (or still have) the twist, a Mojo, a Katana, a Seagull Harrier and a couple of others that I can't remember. Without a doubt the profiles (as Ynot has mentioned) are a better plane for your purposes. I've yet to see a 3d plane that looks "normal" so if it's the looks that are the issue - you'll get used to it.

I honestly don't care about looks, my pattern plane has a cowl and wheel paints (spelling?) so i already have a nice looking plane in my hanger.

I am looking for the best bang for your buck 3d flyer using standered servos and keeping the engine under 150. I was looking at the st .90 or tt .61 2-strokes. What do you guys think about those engines.

The twist 40 is only 100 and i think the 60 is like 150. If they fly well it would seem to be a good price.

The Twist flies pretty good - just not as good as the Profiles.

If the price is right, I say get one

I used to be really anti the profile planes, as a professional Engineer they just didn't seem right from a structural point of view. Then I bought one and discovered how great they are in things like knife edge and how easy they are to fix when dumb thumbs strike. I'm kind of hooked now (but I still wouldn't use one as my pattern ship).

I had a twist and had a ton of fun with it. I also have had 2 mojo's and just think they are better than ANYTHING else.

They do have a kit for the mojo that is pretty cheap. http://www.swanyshouse.com/mojo/mojo.html

They are designed by Paul Swanson and he is around here once in a while AND always at the pro bro site. http://the******************.com/

The twist is great but doesn't fly anywhere near as good as a true 3D plane. The mojo or the burrito at Paul site would rock.

Get the burrito here. http://www.swanyshouse.com/index.html

The burrito or the mojo work great on a 46-52 size 2-stroke or a 63-82 size 4-stroke.

They BOTH are REAL easy kits to put together. If you haven't built before these would be a great place to start and you can get all the help in the world at the other site.

Dave

A couple of more that fly 3D really great are the UCD46 at $129 and the Sig Mayhem40 at $159. The Mayhem is the lightest at 5.0lbs. Most profiles won't get that light. It flys 3D really nice. The UCD is the easiest to hover but won't KE very good without a lot of stick work.

Just a couple of others to throw into the mix.

Thanks
Barry

Barry,
"The Mayhem is the lightest at 5.0lbs. Most profiles won't get that light. "
I have a Mojo 40 and Burrito and a scale to weigh them. Each weighs under 4 lbs RTF. My Mojo 60 weighs 5 1/2 lbs with a Saito 91.

Also consider the Irvine 53 as an engine

If you can build, I'd get a profile kit and use the money saved on a field charger, you'll need it once you realise how good a profile is

Hey bud you must of never picked up a mojo before. There is nothing there. They straight up rock!!! I am sure the mayhem and the u-can-do are fun but I think they are designed for a more fun-fly sport type of flying which is fine. When I look at them I see a sport plane with large surfaces which DOES make them fun but doesn't make them awsome at 3D.

I had a twist and it was fun as can be, BUT it never flew anywhere as good as my mojo's have.

Have a look at Kyosho Flip 3D - IMHO it is one of the best 3D small planes and very good as a 3D trainer, for an otherwise experienced pilot. Mine weights 2.4kg and with Saito 72 on 30% nitro with MA 13x6 prop offers great performance of both vertical pull and effortless speed. I had a Saito 82 on it before and it had even more power but I did not see it necessary for my sea level field, plus the 72 runs smoother. A strong 2-stroke .52 or an YS-63 are also great alternatives. I am using all stock hardware and a 900MAh 2s LiPo with regulator, a plastic spinner with lightened alu backplate and a kind of simple soft mount ( aka ISO mount ). The only other mod are sealed control surface gaps. CG is around 150 mm from LE which is around the aft recommended limit. Hitec 6965 servos on 6v give a very fast and accurate controls. The Saito turns the MA 13x6 at 11300 RPM max, backed to 11k for flying, that gives the thrust around twice the weight, which seems good for 3D. I did lots of experiments before arriving at this setup, tried 4 inch pitch props but they had a tractor like powerful but slow feeling, plus I can only get APC here which are quite heavy ( I do not like heavy props as they increase vibration ). Also tried a TruTurn alu spinner and 6V 1200 MAh NiMH accu, but I did not like the weight penalty. After changing to the current setup and getting rid of a pilot figure the plane flies so much lighter..

Recently I have seen that the Madness 2 appears back here and there in Europe, at a lower price, so if I could get one I will give it a try with YS-63 waiting on my shelf.

Smok

BTW. the Flip 3D is a lot of a plane at 150 cm ( 60 in ) wingspan and roughly the same fuselage length, this is more of a 60-90 3D plane size, which gives great look and light wing load so it flies great,

Smok

Wow, lots of options here

thanks for all the advice

It really sounds like a profile is the ways to go
I have not biult a kit before but have been wanting to in the past
Looks like a profile would be an easy kit to biuld.

Another question.

Will the mojo fly well with a 46-50?
Will it hover at 1/2 throttle?
Will it rocket out?

yes
yes
yes

Sweet!

So what engine should i get

tt 46
st 46
os 46 ax
os 50 sx
webra 50

What prop

apc 12-4
apc 12.25-3.75

How do standered servos work?
Does the arf version come with a fuel tank, wheels, spinner, .ect