Does anybody have the final results from the World Aerobatic Competition? I have been on the WAC web-site but they have not updated the results. Thanks

John Leyland told me last night the results but I dont remember them exactly.

I know for sure...

1- QuiQue
2-
3-
4-
5- John Leyland

Final Placing:

1) Quique Somenzini
2) Mark Leeseberg
3) Baron Johnson
4) Peter Collinson
5) John Leyland
6) Rob Sarlan

Hi,

That is the WAFC results. The WAC has another week to go. The IMAC forum has a thread on the standings as they progress. Russia in top 4, first USA in 9th...

Later,

Willem

Garrett Morrison flew the best but got disqualified when he hovered to close to himself. There's a 25-foot rule and he breached it.


Way to go Rob Sarlan!

Ouch,poor Garrett,well I guess he needs to remember his limitations. He definately is becoming one of the world's best 3D pilot. I do believe that he needs to keep his flying in the box and apply some more precision style flying in between his 3D maneuvers. He will get to the top one day. Thanks for the replies

Just for the record.. Garrett did not fly the best. He was flying very well for sure, but his program lacked some of the key elements required to get really high scores. Quique and Mark Leseberg had everything in place with no gaps and no repetition.. IMO (just one of the judges) Garrett would have likely finished 3rd.

The 25' rule is not an altitude restriction btw.. It is the AMA's new rule regarding aircraft/pilot proximity. You're not allowed to have the aircraft within 25' of the pilot at any time. The XFC used this rule as well.

Doug Cronkhite
WAFC Judge

Doug, well IMO Garrett provided some "Wow" factor for the fans and to me that sticks out more than what Quique and Co. did. When I referred to the 25' rule I should've clarified that it is in relation to the plane and pilot not altitude.

I wasn't a judge, just one of those "spectators".

Wow factor is certainly important, but that's not the only criteria. I agree.. Garrett flew very well.. His freestyle just needs to hit the criteria a bit better.

-Doug

Stallion_51,

Can you give me the criteria the judges used to score and the pilots used to design their freestyle. If not you don't have any way to really judge the winner. I'm not really trying to pick on you but it was the same way after the XFC last year with people saying Chip didn't fly the best. They of course didn't know the judging criteria. Now if you want to say you liked Garrett's freestyle the best, I've got no problem with that. He does have a lot wow in his flying. Of course if wow is the judging criteria I think QS wouldn't have any problem adding more of it.

Tracy Hill

Garrett flew extremely well and IMO is improving everytime that I see him fly. Doug's point is right on the money however. The judging criteria that we used (same as TOC, XFC, JR Challenge, IMAC NAT's) replaces the subjectivity we used to see (wow factor) with very objective criteria. You can read the criteria at http://www.freestyle-2003.com/Rules/rules.shtml

For those interested, the scoring at the WAFC was computed with the high and low score PER CRITERIA - per round dropped. For instance if Doug gave QS a 9.9 on execution and I gave a 6.4 (and everyone else was in between) our 2 scores would be dropped from the raw total of execution for that round. All scores were normalized to 1000.

Saturday was 2 rounds added together to get the top 10 pilots. Those 10 pilots flew a 1 round "shoot out" on Sunday. Scores are below.


Saturday..................Rnd 1..............Rnd 2...............Total
1 QuiQue Somenzini .1000.0000......1000.0000........2000.0000
2 Baron Johnson.........916.1669........901.7356........18 17.9025
3 Mark Leseburg.........910.7024........890.3824........1 801.0847
4 Garrett Morrison.......879.3143........862.3907........174 1.7056
5 Jon Leyland..............784.9527........795.9024..... ...1580.8551
6 Peter Colinson..........726.5760........715.4509........ 1442.0269
7 Rob Sarlan................657.4703........784.0271.... ....1441.4975
8 Ryan Evans...............587.1651........795.7066...... ..1382.8718
9 Jerry Candito.............673.5306........707.3600...... ..1380.8906
10 Alan Snyder.............621.0183........700.6394....... .1321.6577
11 Andy Kane...............572.9043........722.0410....... .1294.9451
12 Ransom Fairchild......609.0897........632.3242........124 1.4139
13 Gene Payson............604.8914........581.1040........ 1185.9954
14 John Schroeder.........498.5339........631.1497........ 1129.6836
15 Ryan Taylor...............857.1905........226.4740..... ...1083.6644

Sunday
1 QuiQue Somenzini....1000.0000
2 Mark Leseburg...........879.0479
3 Baron Johnson...........865.1142
4 Peter Colinson...........835.9567
5 Jon Leyland................815.1851
6 Rob Sarlan.................778.1577
7 Ryan Evans................702.1675
8 Jerry Candito..............695.9102
9 Alan Snyder................587.3436
10 Garrett Morrison.......0.0000

Mark Jorgenson
WAFC Judge - Scorekeeping

Garrett missing key freestyle elements?

I've seen Garrett fly at NUMEROUS events and contest's and there isn't a pilot out there that has "Wow" effect like he does. He is always pushing the envelope and emphasizing the term "Freestyle".Judging by other videos from previous and recent contest's i believe Garrett could have beat all of the other Competitors at WAC.

When you have to fly your plane far away from spectators and yourself you Loose that "Wow" Effect.

Then again, im not a judge, but I dont think a freestyle is all that enjoyable nor impressive when they have to fly the plane a considerable distance away from themselves and spectators.

Garrett was getting perfect scores from Fred Johnson's judging in the XFC Unknown's in every round, he must not have been flying too bad

Flying your plane 25' away from yourself, especially in hovering and other high alpha, just sounds like no fun to me.

Just my 2 cents

Josh

So you're saying the pilot needs to be in danger of hitting himself for the flying to be impressive? 25 feet is not far away, nor do you lose the wow factor at all, at least I don't. John Leland WOW'd me (boy did he! Watch out for this guy), Quique WOW'd me, Mark WOW'd me, and it had nothing to do with how close they could come to braining themselves with the airplane.

To further explain my scoring on Garrett.. Yes.. his freestyle was missing certain components. His choreography to the music was not as polished as those above him. His flight was a bit repetitive in nature, and his flight was not as smooth from one segment to the next (dead space) as the others. Quique and Mark both had absolutely no breaks in their flight. They had great flow, and met all the judging criteria. In fact, I had Mark ahead of Quique, but I guess I was the only one.

And just so people understand me clearly.. I think this whole business of touching the airplanes, grabbing the airplanes, while hovering, it just about the dumbest thing imaginable.

Your mileage may vary.

T-Hill, feel free to pick I was just stating my opinion. If I was a judge, sure the criteria would definitely be considered, but I was just one of those "spectator"-people who came out to watch my buddy Rob Sarlan and Co. wring their planes out.

Garrett's flight sticks out in my mind more than the other pilots. Dangerous? Probably. But Chip Hyde's Walkaround seems a little dangerous to me since, at one point, the aircraft is between the pilot and those "spectators". Quique smoking the crowd? What? That's not dangerous?

2003 AMA Membership Manual

Official AMA National Model Aircraft Safety Code

RADIO CONTROL

Item 8)
With the Exception of events flown under AMA competition rules, after launch, except for pilots and helpers being used , no powered model may be flown closer than 25 feet to any person.

Item 9)
Under no circumstances may a pilot or other person touch a powered model in flight.


[source: http://modelaircraft.org/templates/a...memanual03.pdf]



I understand item 9 quite clear but item 8, to me, is saying that a pilot and the helpers are excluded from the 25 foot rule? Am I misunderstanding this?

Item 8)
With the Exception of events flown under AMA competition rules, after launch, except for pilots and helpers being used , no powered model may be flown closer than 25 feet to any person.


That rule could sure be made a little clearer... However the WAFC CD's instructions during the Friday pilots meeting were very clear. He stated that pilots could tail touch the place on the ground, walk around a TR'ing plane, etc. AS LONG AS they got no closer than 25' from the aircraft and did not cross the deadline. Violating the 25' rule or the deadline would be grounds for DQ.

I will say this, Garrett Morrison accepted the penalty like a true sportsman. I have only been around him a little bit, but can say without hesitation that he has matured tremendously as a competition pilot and a young adult. We are all subject to making mental mistakes, this one happened to bite him pretty hard. I am confident that he will chalk it up as a lesson learned and be a better competitor because of it.

Interesting. I hadn't read the rule myself but was going under the direction of the chief judge of the event. While it wouldn't change the outcome of the standings for the top 3, it would appear that Garrett's disqualification should be reversed.

I'll talk to Fred about this.

-Doug

You know what they will say...

Yes that is AMAs rule but.....as stated in the requirements of the local event that supersedes AMA.

A competitors standpoint IMO. The first time I had to fly with the 25 feet rule was at the XFC this year. This distance may sound like it is quite a ways out. When your up there in the pilots box it is not very far out there at all. I admit it would be fairly easy to get to close with a crosswind blowing you in. On the judging of the different criteria Doug and Mark spoke about. There are several pilots out there that can put on a very entertaining air-show performance. When you throw them in to fitting the criteria it brings them back to novice level. From behind the scenes it looks easy but it the most challenging thing I have ever done. Being that this criteria is still fairly new,the pilots are just now getting the experience it takes to really fly to the criteria. Until people understand there is a lot more to freestyle now than wowing the crowd you will always have guys say the winner wasn't the best. I've flown with Q.Q. at fun events where you just have at it. He is one of the most daring pilots around. But when it comes time to fly in front of the judges the only people he cares about impressing is the JUDGES. Daring doesn't help your score at all. The judges tell you this before the contest begins. Also any repetition will degrade your score. You do a blender at the start and end of your flight and the crowd goes nuts. Well the judges just downgraded you for showing the same maneuver to them twice!! Bang your rudder on the ground torque rolling for 1 minute.Or do a nice controlled torque roll at 20 ft for 30 seconds. The one at 20 ft will score twice as well because you didn't waste anytime will repetition and the execution will be higher becuase it was always in a controlled condition. Roland Matt proves this over and over with his freestyle from the 02 TOC. He never got below 20 ft. But his routine fit the criteria right on the money. And he won the freestyle rounds several times. More importantly he won on Sunday when the checks were being cut. A competition in the caliber of the WAC/ XFC/ TOC/ Masters/ Tucson Shootout etc. etc. all the pilots are skilled enough to win the freestyle. Its just the ones that burn the most fuel, have the perfect music burned into there head, a routine that makes the plane part of the music and are on top of there game that day will be at the top. I know for sure I'm ready to start flying IMAC again. At least there you know what the maneuvers are and how there suppose to be flown. With freestyle you have to make it all up yourself. And there is no fly it as you go anymore. The Judges can tell if its planned no matter how well you hide your mishaps. I hope this sheds some light on why the competition freestyles and a just for fun air-show are so different. Jason Danhakl
Team Futaba