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LOL

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Hey Guys,
My Seduction Freestyle was totalled this weekend after a clevis failed on my aileron hookup doing a rolling pass about 20 feet off the deck. It's usually not a good thing to loose aileron control while inverted about 15 feet off the deck at full throttle.

Archie you did do a good sales job cause I actually thought about getting a Capiche 50, but I ordered another Seduction Freestyle last night.

The Capiche is basically a simple version of a Cap, so i am sure it performs well. The fact that you can get them to come out around 5lbs does interest me. That is the part where i think the plane seperates from the competetion as most of the 40-50 size caps and extras are usually 5.5lb+. My Seduction Freestyle came out at 4 1/4 lb's even with a ys .63. I think I can drop a few more ounces on this next one.

As soon as I got in after my crash I ordered my new one and it is already in the mail. The wing from the old one is untouched, so i just have to build the fuse and tail. I loved that plane. It matches my flying style perfectly.

Do you guys have any suggestions on hooking up control surfaces on the next one and not those crappy nylon clevis? I don't think i will ever use another nylon clevis, must have had brain freeze when i put them on there.

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How dare you :boxing:

are you daft

And do you know, im so mad, im not even sign my name here

[name]

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Cartman
That was funny, did crack a smile even though my baby is dead.

You must really like that Capiche 50. Aren't you cutting you own wood to shape from the plans? It is good to see people that are satisfied with their planes, not loke the U Can Do .46 that has all kinds of problems with the wing snapping!!!

Have you got it airborne yet?

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Edible
Look at the Capiche website. It's a version of a Cap. Cap-ish kind of like Capiche.

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Yes maby, but its definatly no "simplyfied cap", is it.

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Edible
That wasn't meant as an insult. Simple in that it's more of an RC version and not perfectly scale.

You dudes are way too uptight. You need to get some sun or something.

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Up tight! ME! I'm not uptight!

And yes, some of us in the UK have had some sun, it was almost 38 degrees Celsius. Any way, sun is unhealthy, increases the risk of skin cancer!

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But lets face it.

The capiche is a copy of something else.

The Seduction Freestyle is being copied, and is totally original. Its lazer cut, ultra high quality competition balsa, tapered rudder, airfoiled elevater that is cut out of the stab, and best of all comes in at 4 1/4 lb with a ys 63. It has been around for like 2 years and still nothing can touch it.

Don't get me wrong though, I do like the Capiche. I looks really good and is probably well built and best of all it is light. I more than likely would really enjoy it, but i am one for innovation so the Seduction is more my style.

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I was just messin with you about the sun my friend.

Actually, here the very southern US, we've gotten so much rain and crappy weather lately i probably need some sun. I live here because of the fun in the sun, not this overcast crap!

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Well, weve swaped weater with you

No worries, im just messing about. Its personal preference to what planes you like.

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I've never been to England, so I really don't know what its like. Does it really rain a lot and foggy, cloudy weather there or is that just a generalization?

I'll probably go ther some time though.

The fine British weather
 

Well, kinda.The last month or two have been record breakers for heat :p

But i live in the driest county in the country. Its quite often cloudy, especially in winter. But in the summer its either crap weather or great weather. nothing in between. When there's clouds in summer theres loads of thermals. When theres clouds in winter its bloody cold. Its not often foggy where i live. only early morning (the time i never want to see ;) )

The generalization is half right.

If you want to see what the weather's like here go to: http://uk.weather.com

Ian

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this is as far as i have got.

the name and design are loosely based on a cap, the designer is registered on this forum, baron uk.

if it was a scale cap, it would nopt 3d like the capiche does, the capiche is 3d/pattern, the cap is a scale aerobatic.

capiche is thoroughbred!

all models are evolution of each others, there are NO originals anymore.

heres my capiche so far, note it is all hand cut with a scalpel :eek: , and i know its worth it!!

its not sunny here in cornwall :( :(

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Shadow... dont mind edible,.,.. he's only young !

Control links.... I recommend 3mm threaded rod, with a M3 metal kwikling at one end held tight with a 3mm nut behind, and a quality 3mm ball link at the servo end.

You might use 4-40 rod instead in the USA..... Ive ised this one 50 size 3D stuff up to big petrol jobs and its simple and strong. easily adjustable too if you use threaded rodd, plus a wee bit lighter than standard rod.

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Power: Irvine 39 - Standard Exhaust. APC 11x4 prop.
Servos: Aileron 2 x Hitec mighty mini 225 (3.9kg/0.14/metal), Rudder and Elev Hitec 525 (4.5kg/0.14/plastic)
AUW: 4lbs and a bit
C of G: 140mm.
Notes: Wild 3Der, and gets away with the rearward cg as a result of the extremely light weight and light wing loading. CG probably needs to come forward a little for normal flight. Prepared for Sandown Demonstration : MW

Power: West 36 and Genesis Throttle Pipe APC 11x4 Servos: Aileron 2 x JR Midi Digital (5kg/0.24/metal). Rudder & Elev - 1 x Futaba 9204 on each (9.5kg/0.19/metal)
AUW: 4lb 8oz
C of G: 140mm
Notes: Heavy set up - see March Test Diary for details. West 36 was surprisingly effective at this weight, and definately a viable proposition for the model. Proto seems happier at this lighter weight/same 140mm cg position.


thats that sorted then.


it is NOT an old cap

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We have engineered a slightloy overweight plane to ensure that it is strong for the market place (we dont want bits falling off!)

It is possible to make it lighter if you behave yourself in the air ! One guy builtone and replace some of the wood and made extra efforts to make it lighter and he ended up with a Capiche 50 that weighed 3lb something... 3.75 maybe I cant remember, with an Irvine 53 in it !

Tail folded on first flght but elev didnt so he repaired tail and braced it and since then hes been very happy.... theres a thread about it somewhere on here.....

Must be amazing to fly.. mines 4 -11 and it feels great !

But alas, we would not have many happy customers if the kit was produced to come out at that weight !.... slap bang all over the place LOL !

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Archie
It is usually bad when a plane or connector breaks in the air. I experienced that helpless feeling watching my pride and joy fly uncontrollably into the deck. It is a good idea to have a little extra strength. The freestyle was plenty strong in the air, but i can't tell how well it did on impact as I think a brick would not have held together.

Did you ever imagine that someone would actually build a Capiche from the plans, cutting their own wood?

Cartman
How many man hours have you spent on that thing?
Please do me a favor and do a preflight check every time your about to go airborne!! I was terribly upset when I lost mine when I didn't do a preflight, but i can't imagine what I would have felt if i had carved each part by hand.

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I think one of over enginneering's main benefits is that it gives you more confidence when you are doing agressive 3d- you dont hold back for fear of the thing breaking!

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Shadow... he spent more hours than makes economic sense..... unless you have more time than money... which is the case here.
And to answer your Q I expected some people to copy it, but not to exactly copy and cut all the cnc parts precisely... its a miracle !

Luke, I agree..... Ali has tried to break his without success (thank god !) that wouldnt have looked good !

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well i've bought myself a seduction while you guys where arguing.