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Hello Jack,

If you call Planes Plus they will take care of it. Some we shipped with a 20" by mistake.


Kitman

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Just wanted to let you guys know that I will be off tommorrow to test fly my DV:D. I will let you all know the outcome of the experience. Set up-- All ailerons are on their seperate channel. Have not decided whether or not to use the airbrake function, I will test everything tommorrow and then see if I need to add it or not. "I am feeling 80% excited 20%scared or may'be it's 80% scared 20% exicted" what movie line did this come from. A hint, he has a brother that was in "Old School".

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Good Luck !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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was it one of the wilson brother sayings from "behind Enemy Lines"? I love the movie "old school", its on HBO now.

Cary C.

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Cary C. right brother wrong movie (Armagedden ring a bell) Anyway DV flight report goes as follows. bolted the wing on fuel the plane started the engine, pointed her staright added power and took off in the air. Needed two clicks of up and two clicks of right,, along with two clicks of right rudder and she was flying straight. I used a MOKI 2.1 engine and the plane flew like a pattern plane. More deatails to follow.......

The plane flew incredible, and I am sure glad that I have the first flight jitters behind me. I thing that I did notice it that this plane does not slow down as well as I would like. My idle on my Moki was about 1800 and this idle still pulled the plane around quite effortlessly. I think that I need to add flaps to make it slow down some more. I tried a liilte 3ding but the engine right now does not have enough power to 3d. I think once the engine breaks in a little more it's going to be more fun. I am running a 20x10 menz prop. I may try a 22x6 and see what happens. Ohh some funny things that happened one the first flight. The purple covering on both top wings decided to leave the wing. The first (left wing) peeled off right after take, and the other (right wing) left about 5 minutes into the flight. All in all I think that this plane is going to be a great flying airplane for me. As a first experience with biplanes ( I am impressed) I am using 635 hitec on all surface besides the rudder which has 645mg hitec.

I finished the day with three flights and walked away feeling very releived that I put the plane together the right way:D

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rgreen,

Great!!! The Moki is a good match?? I am off to the Toledo show to show my DV I will have pics Monday for you.


Kitman

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Hey Greg have a great time in Toledo!!!

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BTW the 20" upper wing tube will work! I measured mine last night and it is 20". I then measured where the hardwood blocks were it was no problem. So I went ahead and drilled and mounted everything last night. I will be flying mine tomorrow on the 3rd with a new DA-50. I 'm really excited about it. I put JR 9411 servos in the wings, a 8611 pull-pull on the rudder and 2 8411 servos for the elevators, and a JR 770 pcm mini reciever. Also using Smart-Fly switches and regulators with Fromeco 4400 mah Li-Ion batteries. I will also post some pics over the weekend.

Mark Trent

P.S. in the instructions it said that you were to measure in over 9 inches to drill the wing tube bolts. That is an error. I measured in 8 3/8". It is not in the middle of the hardwood block, but is in more than enough. I even counter bored the block so that the wing bolt sits down flush.

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Thanks for the update on the measurement. The prototype had a much narrower top center rib and probably longer wings. The production version has a wide center rib, I 'm guessing 2.5"? Can you confirm?

That a good piece of info that the 20" tube works. As lonng as you are in hardwood it will be OK.

I was working blind with mine. I used the trick of putting a bright 6V bulb down the phenolic and then use modeling pins to probe for a good location. Then I measured and quoted the distance.

I'll forward this to Chip.

Regards,

Eric.

P.S. Please post anything like this, so the next guy has a better experience.

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Eric
Please tell me who makes the turnbuckle pushrods and where on the internet can I get them?

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The ones in the photo are Dubro 4-40 turnbuckles. You can get Dubro anywere. Mine were in the local hobby shop. The Hanger-9 ones will work but I had the wrong length in my shop.

Regards,

Eric.

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I flew my double vision today 3 flights. WOW well worth the wait. Took off smooth and then I saw something fall off! Landed and found one of the puple stripes on the bottom of the top wing had come off. Took off again and had a beautiful flight. The DA-50 ran flawlessly. Lots of power and smooth transition. Yes, it does it all. Even though it was a maiden flight with a new engine I started harrier rolls, blenders, flat spins, Harriers, torque rolls and knife edge loops.All done with ease. I passed the transmitter around next to Wayne McCosker, who has a double vision in process, And then to Chuck Shull another buddy in my club. The were both impressed at how well it handled the wind today. They both went through their bag of tricks while I patiently waited for my turn to fly it again. It took a little up trim and that was about it. The landings are almost comical as how slow you can get it. Of course it was windy here today, but still no problem. I thought it would be a handful on the ground due to the narrow track of the landing gear but I was wrong, It handled beautifully. I know this got a little long and it is a little too glowing but I'm rarely this impressed with a plane little lone an ARF!!!! I will post some pics tomorrow afternoon. CHIP, GREAT JOB!!!

Mark Trent

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Trentmark, you are the secon person to post that the trim blew off the wing on the first flight. Guess everyone should iron the plane before flying.

Joe

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Here are some pics of my ZDZ 50 install in case anyone was contemplating using this engine. Pretty straightforward, cut hole in firewall, line up engine using cowl, then I used 1/2 standoffs. The Bisson muffler
took a big chunk out of the cowl though:(
Some of my Purple covering also came off while I was working on the various pieces, so I went back and ironed down all the rest to try and keep them from coming off also.

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I wasn't going to get one of these, but dang it guys, this thread, and the more one looks at this airplane, well, I sent a check today for one of these - hopefully I'll get it in the next month or so. I don't have a suitable engine for it, so depending on what I run into in the next month or so, and timeline on the BME55X, who knows. I'll probably end up getting a DA50R, I know the engine and it's all good.
DKjens

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Just was wondering if the G-62 would be a good engine for the plane? Or maybe a brison. Anythoughts would be great

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I have a Double vision, and just happend to have my brison 3.2 out of my Midwest Cap 232 while I work on the 232, so just for jollies I looked to see how the Brison would fit in the Double vision. I can tell you that it would require opening up the entire side of the cowl from the rear to the point where the carburetor mounts on the Brison. It really would not fit very well. The narrowness of the cowl almost excludes any gas engine other than ones with a rear mount carburetor. It could be done but would not be pretty.
I have been holding off buying an engine for the Double Vision until I heard how well the DA-50 would haul it around. So far it sounds like the DA-50 has plenty of power. I had considered a zdz 60 but it weighs almost 4lbs, at that point a ZDZ 80 only weighs a little more than the 60. I would prefer to stick to the light weight DA-50. According to at least one post in this thread it has plenty of power. Has anyone else flown the Double Vision on the DA-50?

Thanks

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I have a DV and I agree with scooter j. You'll need a rear carb engine if you don't want to cut the cowl up too much. That leaves you with very few choices for engine. ZDZ 50, DA 50, and the 3W 50I. There are probably a few other obscure rear carb engines out there, but I can't see using them when these I've listed are so well known.

BTW, I went with the DA50. It's suppose to come next week.......when I'm out of town. :eek:

Wiz

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I was really hoping the Brison 52cc revolution would have been out by now. Its rear carb and rear exhaust would have made things real easy.

Joe

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Just got off the phone with Brison. He says the 52cc Revolution should be available in 1 to 2 weeks, says he has shipped 1. He says it should be unlimited in a plane weighing up to 18lbs. Cant wait to see some reviews.

Joe

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Much to my surprise my DA 50 showed up to my door today. At this point all I can say is that it looks wonderful!

Wiz

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I went out and flew another couple of flights last night. The DA-50 hauls it around with authority. It will go vertical out of sight in a short amount of time. Acceleration out of a torque roll is very good. I fly mainly 3D and the plane is fantastic. On the last flight of the evening I was doing a highspeed pass checking the tracking when the engine quit. I deadsticked it in to find I hadn't turned the choke all the way off and it had come on in flight and killed the engine. I opened the choke and flipped it over about 10-12 times and it restarted. I then took off again and resumed doing harriers and torque rolls around the field. Then one of the guys asked how long I was planning on flying? I looked down at the timer and realized I had been flying 28 minutes. I landed immediately and taxied over to my pit. I popped off the hatch and saw I still had 1/2 inch of fuel left in the 24oz tank even after having the choke come on and dumping alot of extra fuel. I'm having alot of fun with my new plane. I also have a new Carden 40% edge that Has been sitting while I keep playing with the double vision, I guess it's just that much fun. By the way, both planes fit at the same time in my astro van. I will be attending alot of flyins this summer around mo,tn,ky,ark,and ms. I hope to see some of you guys there.

The plane on a certified digital scale weighs complete ready to fly 17.5 lbs. The plane is equipped with JR 9611 servos in the wings, Jr 8611 servos on both elevators, an 8611 on rudder and a hitec 525 for the throttle. I'm using Fromeco li-ion batteries. a 4400 on receiver and a 2200 on ignition. I put the ignition, battery, and voltage regulator on the plate under the firewall almost back to the landing gear. I have the cg about 9.5 inches back from the leading edge of the top wing. I see a few guys complaining about the weight. To me, I go by how it flys.The Double Vision flys light. Even on the deadstick approach it glided well, extremely well for a bi-plane. I've had several pitts and ultimates that frankly glide like a manhole cover. I cannot emphasize enough how well the DA-50 hauls the plane around. :D:D:D

Mark Trent

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Thanks Trentmark! Glad to hear the Da-50 works so well.

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Trentmark: what is your altitude? I'm in Denver (5280) and I'm waiting for a DV. Wondering about the DA50 and my altitude.
On an eighty deg. day we can gain a thousand feet in altitude.
Thanks
G-Man

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We are at 436 ft elevation. The DA-50 has tremendous acceleration here and I can't see it being that much difference even at your altitude. If the performance was even down 20% It would still be more than adequate. I have a 15lb. GP patty wagstaff extra with a bme 60 single that doesn't perform near as well. BTW it's for sell cheap, complete ready to fly.

Mark