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I'd like to continue the Italian-Flyer thread. Did they eliminate him?

"Practice catching it with the correct elevator and/or rudder input": then, have we not to use ailerons?

Marcus

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I haven't read the other thread, but are you talking about a tailslide? If so, ailerons are not needed when descending downwards. Mike is correct, you only need rudder to keep the plane perfectly 90 and elevator to keep the plane on its back and sliding. Ailerons have no importance when doing this manuever. That is if thats what we are talking about?

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To fly out level we need to use ailerons, I think. Or not?

Marcus

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Marcus, unlike Vittorio, you are intelligent because you are using the key word..."Practice".

Vittorio was also somewhat correct by implying that you must know what to do before practicing, however, practicing is the key. You will find this out yourself.

As Mike Mc Conville suggests, to avoid crashing airplanes, it is important to learn how to "catch" the plane out of any attitude while attempting to perform the maneuver. This is actually more important than the maneuver itself.

Try not to put so much emphasis on the maneuver and practice, on real flight, falling without losing altitude. You will find yourself in strange positions, but think hard on what to do as you are falling and remember what you did when you succeed.

I would not even attempt to create the same senario again, simply move on with your maneuver and try to "catch" the plane again regardless of its attitude.

Start with this and if you have already been trying this, then continue to do this. Before you know it you will be flying hi-alfalfa maneuvers, efortlessly.

Marcus, it takes a long time to learn how to 3D. When you finally sustain a controlled hover down low, for the first time, you will be very happy and your efforts will all be well worth the time. Be patient and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE

BTW, France is a beautifull country...Creppes, Eiffel Tower and Jacques Cousteau;)

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Yes, use ailerons and/or whatever is necesarry to fly out level.

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practise....ahh, what a word. I think vittorio is deeted as his name is now itallian_flyer_deleted

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Possibly so Ian, but this our new friend, "Voil", so this time let's try to be nice and helpfull...right?

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When the plane is falling inverted with the nose towards me, what have I to do?

Marcus

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make it stop falling so you dont crash

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Push down on the elevator and apply power, both at the same time. Keep wings level with ailerons and if plane is falling to the side, apply rudder away from falling wing. Again, while applying power at the same time.

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Dammit Ian, be nice!!

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I changed my nick name making a cocktail with the two most stupid and vainglorious members of this forum.

You tease Italian-Flyer, but he is a very intelligent and funny person, on the contrary you are very ignorant, insipid, silly, foolish and dull.

Stay away from this forum. I'm not well brought-up as Italian-Flyer.

Marcus

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I changed my nick name because I want to feel free. In this forum there is a lot of freedom. Italian-Flyer could say his opinions in full freedom.

John

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Italian-Flyer-delete 10449. People love Italian-Flyer.

John Wayne

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Practice, practice, practise also without knowing what to do. What to do is not really important. You must practice, practice, practice and burn fuel, burn fuel, burn fuel. We americans are practice people.

John Wayne

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[8D][size=4]Hi people

[:o][color=blue]Cari americani, mi avete profondamente deluso. A mai più rivederci. Mi dispiace ma voi non siete il paese della libertÃ*.
Io volevo giocare e scherzare con voi e dire anche delle cose intelligenti. Molti di voi ogni sera hanno letto le mie idee. Purtroppo i capi hanno deciso di escludermi da questo forum. Io non facevo del male a nessuno. Chi voleva leggermi, mi leggeva e chi non voleva poteva non leggermi e criticarmi. Purtroppo voi non siete il paese della libertÃ*. Addio.

I'm sorry, but you are not the land of freedom. Goodbye.

Vittorio Ferrari

[color=red][sm=thumbup.gif]FERRARI RACING CARS 1° AND 2° WINNERS.

[COLOR=GREEN]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

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now we are getting somewhere - no more mona lisa crap!![sm=lol.gif]

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9 pagine di merda e degli insulti è scherzo! Avete un senso terribile di hummer ed inoltre non possedete una vita. Spiacenti, realmente non avete un indizio. Uno scherzo è qualcosa come questo:

A girl came skipping home from school one day. "Mommy, Mommy, she yelled, "We were counting today, and all the other kids could only count to four, but I counted to 10. See? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10!"

"Very good," said her mother.

"Is it because I'm blonde?" the girl asked.

"Yes, It's because your blonde.

" The next day the girl came skipping home from school.

"Mommy, Mommy," she yelled, "We were saying the alphabet today, and all the other kids said up to D, but I said it up to G. See? A,B,C,D,E,F,G!"

"Very good," said her mother. "Is it because I'm blonde, Mommy?"

"Yes, It's because your blonde." The next day the girl came skipping home from school.
"Mommy Mommy!" she yelled, "We were in gym class today, and when we were showering, all the other girls had flat chests, but I have these!

" She lifted up her tank top to reveal a pair of 36Cs.

"Very good," said her embarrassed mother.

"Is it because I'm Blonde, Mommy?"







"No Honey, Its because you're 24

quello è un buon scherzo che ha certo contenuto di hummer. (spiacente, ho dovuto inviare appena quello! ed anche spiacente se qualunque gente del blonde è offenduta, spiacente!) Pagine e pagine di dire 'siete stupid' e 'G2 è brillante e potete imparare volargli 3D' non è deffinatly divertente, a meno che abbiate ottenuto un cervello bitty itty come Vittorio


appena i miei due centesimi

Ian

PS, bable fish rocks!

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Vittorio, il benvenuto sostiene. Sono contento che lei non ha cessato, non si ****ia mai. Joe

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HUH?[:-]

This had the makings of an interesting thread. What happened?

Lets see if I can get it on track again.

I have been working on much of what was discussed here.
Something I have noticed with my U CAN DO is that sometimes even when the plane is hovering near vertical and begins to list one way or the other I end up hard over on the rudder to hold it upright, but the plane never really lists more than about 10degrees in hover. Very strange, full rudder but still vertical. I just ease the rudder back to center as it decides it wants to stand up on its tail.
I also find myself getting to the point where although I may not be able to hover for a real long time, I can save it almost everytime. The plane may begin to fall out but I can throttle up and work the plane back into a hover from some really REALLY awkward positions. I feel like Im making progress.

Im also making progress with my rolling harriers. I took the advice from another thread here on how to sustain the roll and its working out pretty well. Just enough throttle to hold a nose high attitude with minimal forward movement then roll right/ left rudder, down elevator, right rudder, up elevator... works well for me. I guess that once you get really comfortable you begin tweeking the rudder/elevator inputs when the rudder/elevator is in the vertical to initate the "circle"?? Right. now I can get about 12-15 consecutive harrier rolls but they are in a relatively straight line before I get dumb thumbs.

I have been working strictly on pattern for 2 months, sure felt good to get out and burn some holes again this week!

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BigNed, it sounds that you're right on the threshold. Keep doing what you're doing. Pretty soon, I mean real soon, you will have it. Sound's like you're very close.

If I could simply suggest to bring the plane down, as close as you can to yoursel, you'll find that it'll make it easier to hover/TR.

If I understand you correctly about your rudder issue, it seems to not have the authority to vector the thrust from the propwash, or maybe lack of thrust. However, this seems too obvious and I'm sure that you would've mentioned that in your previous post.

If you could maybe rephrase what you've posted to maybe get it from a different perspective, if you don't mind.


Also, if you don't mind and so that there's no further missunderstanding with Vittorio, I'd like to post this non-hostile message for him, so that we can maybe keep this thread in the forum:


Vittorio, il mio italiano è prova I'll ma, molto difettosa.
Molta gente sul vostro altro filetto provato per aiutare, ma nelle vostre traduzioni, usereste le parole insultanti, quale "unintelligent" ed allora fareste gli scherzi del paese americano. La gente che sta provando a aiutare don't come per sentire quello.
Il vostro nuovo metodo, all'inizio di questo filetto era buono ed ecco perchè ho risposto alla vostra domanda.
Spero che possiate capire che la miei lingua ed io difettosi di Italiano spero che possiate capire che cosa sto provando li lascio sapere.;)

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Joe, did I translate that correctly?

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Johhny, Thanks for the encouragement.
I crashed my "I THOUGHT I COULD DO 3D" about 3 months ago hovering about 20' above the runway. I had gotten to the point where I was comfortable, but it was a little breezy and the plane drifted directly over my head. As I turned to follow it around I got turned around and it was in the dirt in about 2 seconds. Im on my 2nd U CAN DO and Im working my nerve up again. Im back to about 20-30' high again, the closer I get the better I can see but low mistakes = another $189 airframe.

As far as the thrust issue, I am doing this with an OS.91FS and a 15x6 prop. Its enough power to hover with authority at about 1/2-5/8 throttle, but pulls out very slowly. Seems that the Rudder issue in hover happens more when the plane lists to the left, at that point you start pouring the rudder to it (I have 45deg + rudder throw) and as it lists to the side, it sortof looks like a person running who is trying to catch themselves after they trip, you stumble and struggle to keep from falling and then bam, all the the sudden you are back on your feet,,, or,,,, on your face. For that matter, I spend 80% of my itme in hover with at least a little right rudder input. I dont lose altitude and it may only drift 10' to one side or the other but it just takes all the rudder I have to get it back upright. I dont think its a power issue, its more of a balance issue since it isnt losing altitude?? Maybe I just need more practice..

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BigNed, this is a sign of not enough right thrust on the engine mount. Also, if you want to experiment, try a 15/4 prop. Gigundie difference. Joe

Johnny, thats a long one. I need more time captain!!!!

So let me get this right, the French guy is now Italian. The real Italian Flyer is from Legnano and now from Milano. So are there two? Did frenchy step down, or is Italian Flyer back in sheeps clothing? Joe

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If I told you that I already have almost 1/4" behind the left side of my engine would you believe me?? [X(] Im not sure what it is in degress but I would venture to estimate it at about 10-15deg. Plane tracks nicely in uplines yets falls perfectly vertical in downlines with no rudder trim to speak of. I would think it was enough. I hate to compromise the rest of my flight characteristics just to get a good hover.